On 15/08/2015 23:01, Eskimo Will wrote:

"Graham P Davis" wrote in message
news:20150815223824.6ed96810@home-1...
On Sat, 15 Aug 2015 20:56:51 +0100
John Hall wrote:

There's been concern expressed that Windows 10 sends an awful lot of
info back to Microsoft about what the user is doing, perhaps to allow
adverts to be targeted more precisely (apparently even Solitaire
comes with adverts in Windows 10). Some of this info-sending can be
switched off, apparently, but some can't.

Seeing as how I only use MS very occasionally, that won't worry me
much.

I wonder how accurate their targeting will be? If it's like Amazon, the
answer will be "not very". According to the targeted mail I get from
them, they must think I'm a 12-year-old girl who, amongst other things,
owns, drives and maintains a Peugot 205; is a body-builder, and is
interested in male facial grooming products.

Well knowing what you look like Graham, I would say that some of the
latter would not go amiss! :-)

Will

I'm now worried if I update to Windows 10 I may turn into a cross
dresser, I have a Peugeot 307 ;-)

--
Keith (Southend)
"Weather Home & Abroad"
http://www.southendweather.net
Twitter:@LawnscienceEssx

On 15/08/2015 18:00, Nick Gardner wrote:
On 15/08/2015 14:46, Keith (Southend) wrote:
I have Windows 7 and am told I am eligible for the free WIndows 10
upgrade. My question: WIll this be a clean install and wipe everything
else off? Firefox/Thunderbird, Office, and all my little weather diddies?

I upgraded my main PC (Windows 8.1) and my creaky old laptop (Windows 7)
to Windows 10.

Both went absolutely fine with no problems except the graphics driver
was out of date (which caused a slight issue but was soon fixed). So I
suggest making sure your main drivers are up to date before you go ahead
with the update.

And my old laptop (IBM Lenovo T90 with 2GB RAM) now runs quicker than it
did under Windows 7, especially after I disabled/deleted all those
'live' tiles in the Start menu.

The hard drive was badly fragmented afterwards so once all was well I
deleted the old version of Windows and then did several defrags. That
speeded things up a bit on the laptop.

All my personal settings, themes, email, Firefox etc etc were all kept
though I must admit that I now prefer Microsoft Edge than Firefox on my
laptop as it seems to use far less resources and is quicker and more
reliable.

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Edge does have some nice features like the ability to cut and paste from
parts of web pages, highlight text on web pages etc.
Dave

On 15/08/2015 22:40, Dawlish wrote:
On Saturday, August 15, 2015 at 2:46:25 PM UTC+1, Keith (Southend)G wrote:
I have Windows 7 and am told I am eligible for the free WIndows 10
upgrade. My question: WIll this be a clean install and wipe everything
else off? Firefox/Thunderbird, Office, and all my little weather diddies?

Thanks
--
Keith (Southend)
"Weather Home & Abroad"
http://www.southendweather.net
Twitter:@LawnscienceEssx

Buy a mac. No worries with microsoft any more. *))

And the computer boots up immediately.

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True to an extent but costs a fortune in comparison, difficult to buy
cheap generic parts or upgrades and has some software limitations.
Certainly not as good for someone like me who either likes to build PC's
or upgrade/modify them myself. Like most things there are plus and
negative points! A mini PC I have just bought boots Windows 10 in a few
seconds and shuts down almost instantly. There is nothing much on it and
has a small SSD which is probably why.If quick boot is what you want of
course there is always Linux as well.
Dave

On 15/08/2015 14:46, Keith (Southend) wrote:
I have Windows 7 and am told I am eligible for the free WIndows 10
upgrade. My question: WIll this be a clean install and wipe everything
else off? Firefox/Thunderbird, Office, and all my little weather diddies?

Thanks
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Always a bit of a risk Keith, depending. For example I have recently
purchased A Justop Min-PC to run my weather station and website 24/7.
It runs off 12v supply and only uses 6W. It has a small (32gig) SSD
drive, no moving parts and is totally silent. It cost £89 new and had
Windows 8.1 installed. This had the free upgrade to WIndows 10 which
went absolutely smoothly.And I like it. But it was a new and uncluttered
machine. My main Desktop is 4 -5 years old, has a nearly full main
drive, a Windows 7 OS which is now exhibiting some gliches although it
still runs extremely reliably. It's had lots of system and registry
changes and I am worried it won't go as smoothly and I'm going to hang
on for a bit!
Dave

On Sat, 15 Aug 2015 23:16:01 +0100
"Keith (Southend)" wrote:

On 15/08/2015 23:01, Eskimo Will wrote:

"Graham P Davis" wrote in message
news:20150815223824.6ed96810@home-1...
On Sat, 15 Aug 2015 20:56:51 +0100
John Hall wrote:

There's been concern expressed that Windows 10 sends an awful lot
of info back to Microsoft about what the user is doing, perhaps
to allow adverts to be targeted more precisely (apparently even
Solitaire comes with adverts in Windows 10). Some of this
info-sending can be switched off, apparently, but some can't.

Seeing as how I only use MS very occasionally, that won't worry me
much.

I wonder how accurate their targeting will be? If it's like
Amazon, the answer will be "not very". According to the targeted
mail I get from them, they must think I'm a 12-year-old girl who,
amongst other things, owns, drives and maintains a Peugot 205; is
a body-builder, and is interested in male facial grooming products.

Well knowing what you look like Graham, I would say that some of the
latter would not go amiss! :-)

Will

I'm now worried if I update to Windows 10 I may turn into a cross
dresser, I have a Peugeot 307 ;-)


Ha! Should I be worried that I might turn into a Peugeot-owner? ;-)

The only thing on the list that makes any sense is the last, as I once
bought a beard-trimmer via Amazon. As to the rest, I've no idea. For
instance, I haven't owned or driven any car for twenty years and have
never owned any marque of Peugeot. Amazon still keep e-mailing me
every couple of weeks to advertise that they have Peugeot 205 workshop
manuals available, though.

--
Graham P Davis, Bracknell, Berks. [Retd meteorologist/programmer]
http://www.scarlet-jade.com/
I wear the cheese. It does not wear me.
Posted with Claws: http://www.claws-mail.org/

On Sat, 15 Aug 2015 22:34:04 +0100
Alan White wrote:

On Sat, 15 Aug 2015 12:15:50 -0700 (PDT), Graham Easterling
wrote:

My own general view is if you're happy with your current OS stick
with it, why take a chance. Upgrading (as opposed to a clean
install) always carries some risk in my experience. However, at
least the revert option is there if things go wrong, so the easy
option might be to go with the flow & revert if the flow gets rocky!

I did revert. There were so many bells and whistles that I would never
use and the absence of Windows Media Player, which I use quite a lot,
just didn't make it worth 'upgrading'. This, coupled with the fact
that I was all set to replace motherboard, memory, CPU and graphics
card, clinched it. One step at a time.


If you're replacing that much, won't MS not recognise your machine and
insist you buy a new product? ;-)

--
Graham P Davis, Bracknell, Berks. [Retd meteorologist/programmer]
http://www.scarlet-jade.com/
I wear the cheese. It does not wear me.
Posted with Claws: http://www.claws-mail.org/

On Sun, 16 Aug 2015 06:40:19 +0100, Graham P Davis
wrote:

If you're replacing that much, won't MS not recognise your machine and
insist you buy a new product? ;-)

I've installed this OEM disc of Windows 7 Home Premium on two laptops
and two incarnations of this PC. Each time, the on-line registration has
worked with no difficulties. However, this time the on-line registration
was rejected, as you suggested it might, and I tried the telephone
option. This was quite fraught. The 'voice' at the other end required me
type in a fifty-four digit number in nine blocks of six using the
telephone keypad. This number was generated by my PC. It then fed me
another fifty-four digit number, again in nine blocks of six, which I
typed in to the PC using the keyboard. It worked but only after some
false alarms caused by either my mis-typing or not understanding the
'voice'.

The reason for the rebuild was that two of the SATA ports on the
motherboard failed and in so doing corrupted Agent. As I run Agent from
DropBox this meant that the cloud version was also corrupted.
Fortunately, DropBox has excellent backup facilities and I was able to
download an earlier, uncorrupted version of Agent once I'd sorted out a
another SATA port which was working. With a suspect, six year old
motherboard with two non-working ports, it had to go but a new
motherboard wouldn't accept the old CPU and memory so they had to be
replaced as well. The new graphics card is shorter than the old one
which makes life easier when poking about inside the case. I also
installed a new SSD drive which I cloned from the old SSD drive using
Acronis True Image. I clone to the old drive once a week so that I'm
never more than a week old if something goes wrong. A daily application
of Advanced System Care and SpyHunter seems to clean up the system very
nicely and it runs like a dream.

Sorry about the length of this post but I thought it might be useful to
others.

--
Alan White
Mozilla Firefox and Forte Agent.
By Loch Long, twenty-eight miles NW of Glasgow, Scotland.
Webcam and weather:- http://windycroft.co.uk/weather

On Saturday, 15 August 2015 14:46:25 UTC+1, Keith (Southend)G wrote:
I have Windows 7 and am told I am eligible for the free WIndows 10
upgrade. My question: WIll this be a clean install and wipe everything
else off? Firefox/Thunderbird, Office, and all my little weather diddies?

Thanks
--
Keith (Southend)
"Weather Home & Abroad"
http://www.southendweather.net
Twitter:@LawnscienceEssx
Keith

I have to know what is a 'weather diddie'?

As far as Windows 10 is concerned my advice would be to backup and install as others have said. The latest version is what Windows 8 should have been. My Vantage pro works even being plugged into a serial port/USB convertor. Delphi development works for XE6 but not Delphi 2006 so now all my mapping is from Openstreet map. The old Media player was left behind so I still have music but I'm reworking my old Jukebox app to get round the long-term hole that will leave. I may have to write my own photo web album application for my images if Google abandon Picasa.

I did read an article somewhere online that said Microsoft were planning to charge by the month or year for the use of the Windows operating system like they do for Office 365, if you unsubscribe I imagine the OS would keep working but you wouldn't get updates or security patches.

What I dont like about the way things are going in computing is that you are being forced to use the cloud when local storage has never been so cheap. I don't mind being given a choice, but now its being forced so that they can turn storage of music and images and creation and editing of documents into a web service that they can monetise.


Bruce.

On 16/08/2015 09:53, xmetman wrote:

I have to know what is a 'weather diddie'?

All my little synop downloading and decoding stand alone things,
mindyou, the would be quite easy to put back on if they did get wiped :-)
--
Keith (Southend)
"Weather Home & Abroad"
http://www.southendweather.net
Twitter:@LawnscienceEssx

On 16/08/2015 00:11, Dave Cornwell wrote:
On 15/08/2015 14:46, Keith (Southend) wrote:
I have Windows 7 and am told I am eligible for the free WIndows 10
upgrade. My question: WIll this be a clean install and wipe everything
else off? Firefox/Thunderbird, Office, and all my little weather diddies?

Thanks
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Always a bit of a risk Keith, depending. For example I have recently
purchased A Justop Min-PC to run my weather station and website 24/7.
It runs off 12v supply and only uses 6W. It has a small (32gig) SSD
drive, no moving parts and is totally silent. It cost £89 new and had
Windows 8.1 installed. This had the free upgrade to WIndows 10 which
went absolutely smoothly.And I like it. But it was a new and uncluttered
machine. My main Desktop is 4 -5 years old, has a nearly full main
drive, a Windows 7 OS which is now exhibiting some gliches although it
still runs extremely reliably. It's had lots of system and registry
changes and I am worried it won't go as smoothly and I'm going to hang
on for a bit!
Dave

Hi Dave,

I just did a search for the Justop Min-PC.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/JUSTOP-Windo.../dp/B00ZFQQIK0
I'm interested with this as like yourself I have this old PC running
24/7, which must use some electricity over time and the onlt reason is
for updating from my WMII every 15 minutes. Can you also upload to WOW?
Do you have to connect a monitor to it?

It would seem ideal and also keep the weather stuff completely seperate
and for £90.

Do you use it for anything else?

Regards
--
Keith (Southend)
"Weather Home & Abroad"
http://www.southendweather.net
Twitter:@LawnscienceEssx