Someone I can't remember from a long time ago, who's forecasting style has no relevance today, but the usual suspects feel should have. 😂😂

On 26/08/2015 18:30, Dawlish wrote:
I actually think the BBC does a good job overall, of educating the public about the weather. What it doesn't do is provide education to the meteorological level of contributors to very specialist newsgroups. Why some people can't see that is beyond me. It's very obvious.

I'm sure other experienced users of other specialist groups feel exactly the same, but the BBC doesn't cater for them either.

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I think we all do understand that. But this is a weather enthusiasts NG
so we feel entitled to moan about the plain daft or inaccurate. If it
was the Daily Express Worshipers NG I'm sure they would take a different
view.
I do agree that (often outside of the forecast presentation but
occasionally within) they do still try to educate about the weather.
Dave

On Wednesday, August 26, 2015 at 6:14:02 PM UTC+1, wrote:
On Wednesday, August 26, 2015 at 1:54:21 PM UTC+1, Graham Easterling wrote:
On Wednesday, August 26, 2015 at 11:26:48 AM UTC+1, Dave Cornwell wrote:
On 25/08/2015 01:31, Tudor Hughes wrote:
This is from the Guardian:

http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...h-warning-cold

I'm with him on practically all points. Includes an example from USW's favourite paper.

Tudor Hughes, Warlingham, Surrey.

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Yes, most of us are, I would like to think.
Dave

I certainly do. The constant reference to rush hours is one of my pet hates.

Why so?



This has been said many times before but it worth saying again. The BBC forecasts aren't intended for weather enthusiasts but for those who might want to allow extra time for their journey to work due to adverse conditions or simply whether to take a brolly.

If you take the people who don't work, work from home, don't work in a large settlement, have shift work, or self employed and can choose when they work, are close to where they work etc. you are left with a smallish minority involved in a metropolitan rush hour.

Cornwall is relatively densely populated county believe it or not - due to it's old industrial base, but it's only Truro and Saltash that have anything resembling a rush hour. If I take my mixed road in Penzance - I'm semi retired, but I used to walk to work. My neighbour is self employed and works at times to suit himself. Then comes a retired Scotsmen followed by a German university lecturer who spends half the year in Penzance writing books. Across the road are 2 Polish builders, Barry who's the landlord, and a chap that works at a Adult Day Centre within easy walking distance. Also a couple of fisherman. The rush hour is pretty irrelevant to all of them. If there's a time in Cornwall when you want to avoid traffic chaos it's 10:00-11:00am on a Saturday changeover day.

I'm not sure how many of my neighbours are weather enthusiasts, though on the tip of Cornwall weather is something you tend to notice more than in say London (where I spent 6 years) where the weather tends to blend into the background umless it was really extreme. You would be surprised how many people I know are USW lurkers, a couple have posted on the odd occasion.

There are people who work outside in all weather, farmers, fishermen, builders etc. who are more in need of advice than people who are so brain dead they have to be be told to turn on the windscreen wipers because there might be spray if it rains.

The forecasts seem to be aimed at a narrow section of society, that many of the presenters belong to.


Of course a bit of 'education' along the way wouldn't go amiss!


Well, I won't argue with that!

Graham
Penzance

On Wednesday, August 26, 2015 at 7:28:01 PM UTC+1, Graham Easterling wrote:
On Wednesday, August 26, 2015 at 6:14:02 PM UTC+1, wrote:
On Wednesday, August 26, 2015 at 1:54:21 PM UTC+1, Graham Easterling wrote:
On Wednesday, August 26, 2015 at 11:26:48 AM UTC+1, Dave Cornwell wrote:
On 25/08/2015 01:31, Tudor Hughes wrote:
This is from the Guardian:

http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...h-warning-cold

I'm with him on practically all points. Includes an example from USW's favourite paper.

Tudor Hughes, Warlingham, Surrey.

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Yes, most of us are, I would like to think.
Dave

I certainly do. The constant reference to rush hours is one of my pet hates.

Why so?



This has been said many times before but it worth saying again. The BBC forecasts aren't intended for weather enthusiasts but for those who might want to allow extra time for their journey to work due to adverse conditions or simply whether to take a brolly.

Which is very useful to so many of us.

If you take the people who don't work, work from home, don't work in a large settlement, have shift work, or self employed and can choose when they work, are close to where they work etc. you are left with a smallish minority involved in a metropolitan rush hour.

I'm afraid that's not true. And the whole forecast is not directed at the 'rush hour'. You'd just like to say it is.

Cornwall is relatively densely populated county believe it or not - due to it's old industrial base, but it's only Truro and Saltash that have anything resembling a rush hour.

Cornwall has a population of just over half a million; 1% of the UK. Hardly terribly important.

If I take my mixed road in Penzance - I'm semi retired, but I used to walk to work. My neighbour is self employed and works at times to suit himself. Then comes a retired Scotsmen followed by a German university lecturer who spends half the year in Penzance writing books. Across the road are 2 Polish builders, Barry who's the landlord, and a chap that works at a Adult Day Centre within easy walking distance. Also a couple of fisherman. The rush hour is pretty irrelevant to all of them. If there's a time in Cornwall when you want to avoid traffic chaos it's 10:00-11:00am on a Saturday changeover day.

Yes. If everyone lived in Cornwall, there would be no rush hour, would there (at least in the rest of the UK!)

I'm not sure how many of my neighbours are weather enthusiasts, though on the tip of Cornwall weather is something you tend to notice more than in say London (where I spent 6 years) where the weather tends to blend into the background umless it was really extreme. You would be surprised how many people I know are USW lurkers, a couple have posted on the odd occasion.

You know when it snows on your commute.

There are people who work outside in all weather, farmers, fishermen, builders etc. who are more in need of advice than people who are so brain dead they have to be be told to turn on the windscreen wipers because there might be spray if it rains.

Not happy about most people, are you? I can assure you that those millions of people are not 'brain dead'

The forecasts seem to be aimed at a narrow section of society, that many of the presenters belong to.

Everyone has a meteorology degree?? I didn't know that. I must remember to change my mind about the target audience of the BBC.

Of course a bit of 'education' along the way wouldn't go amiss!


Well, I won't argue with that!

The BBC educates well.

Graham
Penzance

On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 10:26:44 -0700 (PDT)
Stephen Davenport wrote:


Who is "Jack Ford"?


Someone who only exists in Paul's imagination; a conflation of Jack
Scott and Bert Foord, I suspect. I suspect you knew that, though. ;-)

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If you take the people who don't work, work from home, don't work in a large settlement, have shift work, or self employed and can choose when they work, are close to where they work etc. you are left with a smallish minority involved in a metropolitan rush hour.

I'm afraid that's not true.
Yes it is true.

And the whole forecast is not directed at the 'rush hour'. You'd just like to say it is.

No I didn't - you like to think I did.


Cornwall is relatively densely populated county believe it or not - due to it's old industrial base, but it's only Truro and Saltash that have anything resembling a rush hour.

Cornwall has a population of just over half a million; 1% of the UK. Hardly terribly important.

I was talking about population density. The western half is relatively densely populated, certainly compared to most peoples conception. The land area from Truro westwards is pretty small, yet has a number of sizeable settlements. Truro to Penryn/Falmouth is largely built up. The short distance west to Penzance you have the sprawls of Camborne/Pool/Redruth/Hayle with very little gap in between. The of course there's St Ives. The Marazion/Long Rock/Penzance/Newlyn forms 1 long built up area.

You can easily look up the population totals & the land area, and compare the result with truly rural counties if you refuse to take my word for it.

Cornwall is pretty important if your Cornish! Also, it gives a use for the Tamar bridges. It was pretty important to old Isambard K Brunel.


If I take my mixed road in Penzance - I'm semi retired, but I used to walk to work. My neighbour is self employed and works at times to suit himself.. Then comes a retired Scotsmen followed by a German university lecturer who spends half the year in Penzance writing books. Across the road are 2 Polish builders, Barry who's the landlord, and a chap that works at a Adult Day Centre within easy walking distance. Also a couple of fisherman. The rush hour is pretty irrelevant to all of them. If there's a time in Cornwall when you want to avoid traffic chaos it's 10:00-11:00am on a Saturday changeover day.

Yes. If everyone lived in Cornwall, there would be no rush hour, would there (at least in the rest of the UK!)

Well, now your talking ******** of course. My road was simply an example. My point was that everywhere is different, therefore the assumption that everyone lives a similar life is wrong. Do you deliberately misunderstand things?

I'm not sure how many of my neighbours are weather enthusiasts, though on the tip of Cornwall weather is something you tend to notice more than in say London (where I spent 6 years) where the weather tends to blend into the background umless it was really extreme. You would be surprised how many people I know are USW lurkers, a couple have posted on the odd occasion.

You know when it snows on your commute.

You probably mostly aware when it snows if you're not commuting.

There are people who work outside in all weather, farmers, fishermen, builders etc. who are more in need of advice than people who are so brain dead they have to be be told to turn on the windscreen wipers because there might be spray if it rains.

Not happy about most people, are you? I can assure you that those millions of people are not 'brain dead'

Christ - don't pretend that you thought I meant they were really brain dead! It's the forecasters I was accusing of patronising the audience and treating them (& me) as brain dead.


The forecasts seem to be aimed at a narrow section of society, that many of the presenters belong to.

Everyone has a meteorology degree?? I didn't know that. I must remember to change my mind about the target audience of the BBC.

Nice sarcastic bit - I meant they were the type that were likely to have to commute.

I simply replied to COLs quite reasonable "Why so"? as he was asking why I wrote the just one line. I'm sure his view is somewhat different, and that's fine.

When you reply please put your name at the end, not mine. I'd hate people to think I'm responsible for you.

Graham (definitely not DAWLISH!)
Penzance

On Wednesday, August 26, 2015 at 1:25:54 PM UTC+1, Dawlish wrote:
On Wednesday, August 26, 2015 at 12:12:36 PM UTC+1, David Mitchell wrote:
On Wednesday, August 26, 2015 at 11:58:38 AM UTC+1, Dawlish wrote:
Grauniad reporter with no real story town rite trying to fight perceived sensationalism with hyperbole and sensationalism.

Even to the extent of quoting a Daily Expressive headline miserably confusing the science around global warming.

I'd hope most on here would see this as an entertaining pandering to his audience; exactly what the hack purports to distain at the BBC.

TV weather forecasting has changed and it's not going to return to an era 50+ years previous. Jack Ford's forecasts don't exist any more and thank goodness, IMO. Some on here don't like that, but they are simply *not* the BBCs target audience any more. They won't want to accept that truth, but nothing they will say will change it.

An opinion piece to be safely forgotten.

Could you please send that to the "Grauniad" (sic) and ask them to translate it please. Good grief, try writing in English next time. laughing %$""&

Phone writing and Apple spellcheck. Hard to correct on the limited screen space in which to write, that an iPhone 4 grants one. 'Grauniad' is Private-Eye speak and was meant. You don't know that, but that's a reflection on you, not me. You know now.

I think you may have got the gist. If you didn't, that's not a worry to me, mitchell.

Mind you, question marks at the end of questions help, don't you think? Or is that just a petard you wouldn't wish to be hoisted upon? ?laughing?

Read it again pedant, it's a statement. laughing so incredibly hard I fell off my chair.
I know the Guardian very well thank-you, but find it odd that you need to call it the Grauniad for reasons we all understand, only to revert to Guardian type yourself. Wonderful irony. laughing, laughing laughing
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Reverted back to playground lack of capitals again I see. Any pedant will spot the grammatical error there.

"Dawlish" wrote in message
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The BBC educates well.

Only at a fairly primitive level, as far as I can see. I can't remember the
last (BBC, though it's a common fault in TV productions) technology or
science programme that I felt was at all challenging to follow.

Am I the only one who wants to watch programme that aren't explained in
broadly simplistic terms but in sufficient detail that I _cannot_ always
follow the flow of ideas at first viewing? Most such programmes I would
'tape' and hence have the opportunity to go back over any difficult passages
(or use iPlayer etc).

Surely education means stretching the mind, especially to provide the
essential inspiration and curiosity that will generate the world-class
engineers and scientists of the future, rather than making programmes that
major on theatricality or just provide a simplistic introduction to topics.
Spoon-feeding is little more than pre-education.

On Wednesday, August 26, 2015 at 9:31:41 PM UTC+1, David Mitchell wrote:
On Wednesday, August 26, 2015 at 1:25:54 PM UTC+1, Dawlish wrote:
On Wednesday, August 26, 2015 at 12:12:36 PM UTC+1, David Mitchell wrote:
On Wednesday, August 26, 2015 at 11:58:38 AM UTC+1, Dawlish wrote:
Grauniad reporter with no real story town rite trying to fight perceived sensationalism with hyperbole and sensationalism.

Even to the extent of quoting a Daily Expressive headline miserably confusing the science around global warming.

I'd hope most on here would see this as an entertaining pandering to his audience; exactly what the hack purports to distain at the BBC.

TV weather forecasting has changed and it's not going to return to an era 50+ years previous. Jack Ford's forecasts don't exist any more and thank goodness, IMO. Some on here don't like that, but they are simply *not* the BBCs target audience any more. They won't want to accept that truth, but nothing they will say will change it.

An opinion piece to be safely forgotten.

Could you please send that to the "Grauniad" (sic) and ask them to translate it please. Good grief, try writing in English next time. laughing %$""&

Phone writing and Apple spellcheck. Hard to correct on the limited screen space in which to write, that an iPhone 4 grants one. 'Grauniad' is Private-Eye speak and was meant. You don't know that, but that's a reflection on you, not me. You know now.

I think you may have got the gist. If you didn't, that's not a worry to me, mitchell.

Mind you, question marks at the end of questions help, don't you think? Or is that just a petard you wouldn't wish to be hoisted upon? ?laughing?

Read it again pedant, it's a statement. laughing so incredibly hard I fell off my chair.
I know the Guardian very well thank-you, but find it odd that you need to call it the Grauniad for reasons we all understand, only to revert to Guardian type yourself. Wonderful irony. laughing, laughing laughing
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Reverted back to playground lack of capitals again I see. Any pedant will spot the grammatical error there.

I don't think you were quite sane when you posted this mitchell. And as usual, I see you obsessed with me and paying no attention whatsoever to the thread.

On Wednesday, August 26, 2015 at 9:37:26 PM UTC+1, JohnD wrote:
"Dawlish" wrote in message
...

The BBC educates well.

Only at a fairly primitive level, as far as I can see...

You have to think of the average viewer; not the average weather nut, many of whom have degrees and all of whom have a great deal of knowledge, compared to the average TV watcher. Meteorology is incredibly difficult for most people; in fact, the physics and their application is beyond almost everyone who watches the BBC forecasts. The 'primitive level' is only from a viewpoint of being way beyond 'primitive', John. We are not the BBC's target audience.