On 13/09/2015 17:52, wrote:
On Sunday, September 13, 2015 at 4:51:20 PM UTC+1, Lawrence Jenkins
wrote:

You are doing that 'lefty' thing again just looking at history
starting from the Industrial and agrarian revolution

I am not a 'lefty'(or should that be 'leftie'?) but there appears to
be little point in attempting to convince you of that.

I mentioned the Industrial Revolution as that is when capitalism
proper kicked in, as you yourself acknowledge not once but twice
below.

So you think that before capitalism and the industrial revolution
that children frolicked without a care raised on organic foods.

Huh? Where did I say or even imply that? You are wrong anyway.
Children were raised on organic food back then as there no pesticides
or chemical fertilisers.

The 'fertilizer' was running down the streets...

I'm not advocating nationalisation in general. As soon as the banks
that were part-nationalised in what amounted to an emergency
situation are in a fit state to be returned to the private sector
this should take place. In fact the process has already begun.


Albeit taking a massive loss in the process?


--

Paul Hyett, Cheltenham

On 13/09/2015 23:08, Joe Egginton wrote:
On 13/09/2015 16:08, wrote:
On Sunday, September 13, 2015 at 7:32:06 AM UTC+1, Malcolm Ogilvie wrote:
On Sat, 12 Sep 2015 23:06:28 +0100, Joe Egginton
wrote:

In affectionate remembrance of the Labour Party, which died at the
Queen
Elizabeth II conference centre, Westminster, on 12 September,
2015......

Lifted, withouit acknowledgement, from the Daily Telegraph.

Well there's a surprise.
You can tell it wasn't Crazy Joe as it was actually coherently written
and didn't contain any spelling mistakes.

Col


Are you English Col? I ask because you say I don’t write coherently.
I've had many letters published in my local newspaper, the Express &
Star. I won the letter of the week eight times, each time receiving a
scheaffer pen.

You weren't the editor of said paper, by any chance?


--

Paul Hyett, Cheltenham

On Monday, September 14, 2015 at 7:07:15 AM UTC+1, vidcapper wrote:
On 13/09/2015 17:52, wrote:

I'm not advocating nationalisation in general. As soon as the banks
that were part-nationalised in what amounted to an emergency
situation are in a fit state to be returned to the private sector
this should take place. In fact the process has already begun.


Albeit taking a massive loss in the process?


Quite. I was wondering if anybody was going to pick up on that.
The original proposal was to re-privatise when we had reached break even point and the taxpayer wouldn't lose out. Just shows how desperate the Government are not to have nationalised banks.
More Tory lies of course.
And just for balance(and Lawrence) there are left-wing lies too

Col

On Sunday, September 13, 2015 at 11:09:34 PM UTC+1, jumper wrote:
On 13/09/2015 16:08, wrote:


Well there's a surprise.
You can tell it wasn't Crazy Joe as it was actually coherently written and didn't contain any spelling mistakes.

Col


Are you English Col? I ask because you say I don't write coherently.
I've had many letters published in my local newspaper, the Express &
Star. I won the letter of the week eight times, each time receiving a
scheaffer pen.


You clearly don't utilise any of that writing talent on this group then.
What do you need 8 pens for anyway, are you an octopus?

Oh, and why did you pretend that the article from The Telegraph was you own work? Any normal person would have acknowledged the source or simply provided a link.

Col

On Sunday, September 13, 2015 at 10:32:30 PM UTC+1, Dave Cornwell wrote:
On 13/09/2015 16:08, wrote:
On Sunday, September 13, 2015 at 7:32:06 AM UTC+1, Malcolm Ogilvie wrote:
On Sat, 12 Sep 2015 23:06:28 +0100, Joe Egginton wrote:

In affectionate remembrance of the Labour Party, which died at the Queen
Elizabeth II conference centre, Westminster, on 12 September, 2015.......

Lifted, withouit acknowledgement, from the Daily Telegraph.

Well there's a surprise.
You can tell it wasn't Crazy Joe as it was actually coherently written and didn't contain any spelling mistakes.

Col

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I never feel sad when I hear somebody talking about fairness, decency,
kindness, respect. One world, all human beings, peace and no wars.
Yes, idealist. Yes unworkable. But I'm always accused of being an
idealist and sometimes it's nice to know you are not alone in a world
where violence, hatred and bigotry seem to rule, and that there are
others who advocate hope not hate
Dave

Starting to sound like the great John Lennon Dave!

Yes, very refreshing that there's a leader of a major party with genuine beliefs and who cares, makes a welcome change from in the New Labour 'What do I need to say to get into power' mantra.

I'm not an idealistic advocate of public or private ownership, but remember the time when there was 1 number for directory enquiries, it was free and you mostly got the right number. Or there were 4 buses a day to Sennen and you could return on any bus, now you have to wait 6 hours to catch a bus by the same operator or pay again. Or you didn't have to worry about changing power supplier & all the hassle that involves, Or my disabled daughter was provided with services, not given a personal budget where I have to do all the sorting out they used to do and where many privatised 'service providers' have the life expectancy of a hamster. (what happens when I'mm not around), Or . .

I think Jeremy has tapped into a widespread feeling after decades of political selfishness, extreme capitalism, and downright lies.

I don't agree with everything he says, though I'm certainly against spending billions on Trident, both because I think it's wrong and there are so many better uses for the money.

It amuses me that he's accused of being out of touch with the electorate when he gets 60% of the vote and people are flocking to join the labour party.. It just shows the extreme arrogance of the Blairites (and others).

Anyway, enough from me, I know I'll be accused of being an extreme lefty.

Chilly out this morning, could end up the 1st 15C max for 3 months.

Graham
Penzance

On Sunday, September 13, 2015 at 11:04:22 PM UTC+1, jumper wrote:

Hope not hate, such pious sentiments make me puke! This is the trouble
with left wingers, they live in a fairy tale land, which is why they
rarely get into government , thank God.


'Hope not hate' may be something of a cliché but it's sentiment rings true. Nobody is living in a 'fairy tale land' but there is nothing wrong with striving for a perfect world, you might at least end up with a better one.
But all you do is sneer ant such a notion as if wanting a better world is something only those 'woolly minded liberals' would want.

You really are a miserable wretch.

Col

On Monday, 14 September 2015 07:23:41 UTC+1, wrote:
On Monday, September 14, 2015 at 7:07:15 AM UTC+1, vidcapper wrote:
On 13/09/2015 17:52, wrote:

I'm not advocating nationalisation in general. As soon as the banks
that were part-nationalised in what amounted to an emergency
situation are in a fit state to be returned to the private sector
this should take place. In fact the process has already begun.


Albeit taking a massive loss in the process?


Quite. I was wondering if anybody was going to pick up on that.
The original proposal was to re-privatise when we had reached break even point and the taxpayer wouldn't lose out. Just shows how desperate the Government are not to have nationalised banks.
More Tory lies of course.
And just for balance(and Lawrence) there are left-wing lies too

Col

The left is founded on an infinite capacity to lie and when in power an infinite capacity to be cruel, Why because the leading advocates of the left are nearly always the most affluent in any society and are driven by hatred.

I was always a working class lefty but when I met the middle class ones oh boy were they full of crap and distortions. I remember being told how the 'British' had started the first concentration camps during the Boer War. Why the British shamed Hitler and Stalin when it came to treatment of Prisoners or civilians come to that who had spoken their feelings.


The left have a third inexhaustible infinite capacity and that is hypocrisy..

On Monday, 14 September 2015 09:22:46 UTC+1, Graham Easterling wrote:
On Sunday, September 13, 2015 at 10:32:30 PM UTC+1, Dave Cornwell wrote:
On 13/09/2015 16:08, wrote:
On Sunday, September 13, 2015 at 7:32:06 AM UTC+1, Malcolm Ogilvie wrote:
On Sat, 12 Sep 2015 23:06:28 +0100, Joe Egginton wrote:

In affectionate remembrance of the Labour Party, which died at the Queen
Elizabeth II conference centre, Westminster, on 12 September, 2015.......

Lifted, withouit acknowledgement, from the Daily Telegraph.

Well there's a surprise.
You can tell it wasn't Crazy Joe as it was actually coherently written and didn't contain any spelling mistakes.

Col

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I never feel sad when I hear somebody talking about fairness, decency,
kindness, respect. One world, all human beings, peace and no wars.
Yes, idealist. Yes unworkable. But I'm always accused of being an
idealist and sometimes it's nice to know you are not alone in a world
where violence, hatred and bigotry seem to rule, and that there are
others who advocate hope not hate
Dave

Starting to sound like the great John Lennon Dave!

Yes, very refreshing that there's a leader of a major party with genuine beliefs and who cares, makes a welcome change from in the New Labour 'What do I need to say to get into power' mantra.

I'm not an idealistic advocate of public or private ownership, but remember the time when there was 1 number for directory enquiries, it was free and you mostly got the right number. Or there were 4 buses a day to Sennen and you could return on any bus, now you have to wait 6 hours to catch a bus by the same operator or pay again. Or you didn't have to worry about changing power supplier & all the hassle that involves, Or my disabled daughter was provided with services, not given a personal budget where I have to do all the sorting out they used to do and where many privatised 'service providers' have the life expectancy of a hamster. (what happens when I'mm not around), Or . .

I think Jeremy has tapped into a widespread feeling after decades of political selfishness, extreme capitalism, and downright lies.

I don't agree with everything he says, though I'm certainly against spending billions on Trident, both because I think it's wrong and there are so many better uses for the money.

It amuses me that he's accused of being out of touch with the electorate when he gets 60% of the vote and people are flocking to join the labour party. It just shows the extreme arrogance of the Blairites (and others).

Anyway, enough from me, I know I'll be accused of being an extreme lefty.

Chilly out this morning, could end up the 1st 15C max for 3 months.

Graham
Penzance

I loved Lennon but I have to say he wasn't so great to his son Julian, all that love he told everyone that they needed was obviously not meant for his son.

In addition: when he sings "imagine no possessions" I can only assume he meant the type that spiritualist mediums and priests exorcize as he couldn't have meant material ones as he was totally loaded with them. He also sang "imagine no religion yet tried almost everyone.


I still forgive him, he was flawed but brilliant at what he did.


Now what was that song where he was going to hunt down that ex girlfriend of his as he'd rather see her dead than to be with another man.

Oh dear, the Guardianistas won't like those sentiments


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZWv4GZiEYA


I read somewhere he was moving towards supporting Ronald Reagan before he was murdered

On Sunday, 13 September 2015 22:32:30 UTC+1, Dave Cornwell wrote:
On 13/09/2015 16:08, wrote:
On Sunday, September 13, 2015 at 7:32:06 AM UTC+1, Malcolm Ogilvie wrote:
On Sat, 12 Sep 2015 23:06:28 +0100, Joe Egginton wrote:

In affectionate remembrance of the Labour Party, which died at the Queen
Elizabeth II conference centre, Westminster, on 12 September, 2015......

Lifted, withouit acknowledgement, from the Daily Telegraph.

Well there's a surprise.
You can tell it wasn't Crazy Joe as it was actually coherently written and didn't contain any spelling mistakes.

Col

--------------------------------------------------------------------------
I never feel sad when I hear somebody talking about fairness, decency,
kindness, respect. One world, all human beings, peace and no wars.
Yes, idealist. Yes unworkable. But I'm always accused of being an
idealist and sometimes it's nice to know you are not alone in a world
where violence, hatred and bigotry seem to rule, and that there are
others who advocate hope not hate
Dave

True Dave but what period of human history has ever been better than this one under capitalism.

On 14/09/2015 09:22, Graham Easterling wrote:

[snip]

It amuses me that he's accused of being out of touch with the electorate when he
gets 60% of the vote and people are flocking to join the labour party. It just shows
the extreme arrogance of the Blairites (and others).

The electorate of whom 60% voted for Corbyn numbered 422,664. The
electorate he is said to be out of touch with numbered ~30m in the
General Election.

251,417 voted for Corbyn, but 9.3m voted Labour last May.

49.6% of full Labour Party members voted for Corbyn.
57.6% of Affiliated members (Unions, Co-Ops, etc) did so.
83.8% of Registered Supporters (so called £3 members) did so.

Over 50% of full members voted for other candidates.
Only 48% of affiliates bothered to vote at all.
Only 16% of Registered Supporters voted for other candidates.

I read/heard somewhere, but can't verify that only 14 of the
232 Labour MPs voted for Corbyn.

While 60% is impressive, when you dig into the detail, it's 60%
of not very much.