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Op maandag 21 december 2015 07:27:48 UTC+1 schreef Graham P Davis:
I heard the other day that one EU country - Portugal? - is planning to put the clocks back an hour so they'll be in line with UK time. Seems odd that we'd go the other way. Portugal is already in line with UK time. It observes GMT in the winter and puts the clocks one hour forward in the summer just like other EU countries. All EU countries change to summer and winter time on the same date, but not all continental EU countries are in the same time zone: Finland, Romania, Bulgaria, Greece and the Baltic countries are 2 hours ahead of GMT (in winter). http://www.timeanddate.com/time/map/ Colin Youngs Brussels |
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On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 02:35:42 -0800 (PST)
Colin Youngs wrote: Op maandag 21 december 2015 07:27:48 UTC+1 schreef Graham P Davis: I heard the other day that one EU country - Portugal? - is planning to put the clocks back an hour so they'll be in line with UK time. Seems odd that we'd go the other way. Portugal is already in line with UK time. It observes GMT in the winter and puts the clocks one hour forward in the summer just like other EU countries. I wasn't sure it was Portugal, hence the "?". Perhaps it was Spain? Can't remember where I read or heard about it but it was only a few days ago, certainly not as far back as this article: http://www.timeanddate.com/news/time...ne-change.html -- Graham P Davis, Bracknell, Berks. [Retd meteorologist/programmer] http://www.scarlet-jade.com/ I wear the cheese. It does not wear me. Posted with Claws: http://www.claws-mail.org/ |
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As a southerner living in Scotland I find it utterly miserable
in winter and I doubt if the clock setting would have much difference. None at all, I imagine, and as one born and bred within 15 miles of where you are, Trevor, I agree that it's miserable when it's dank and grey like today, and barely light now at noon. But it is compensted for by the long light evenings and summer nights when it doesn't get really dark. Not to mention those classic February days when it's clear and crisp, or the Northern Lights on dark winter evenings. And the annual rainfall here is so much lower than say on Dartmoor or Exmoor or Bodmin Moor. Yesterday morning the sun rose over the hill at 9.38 and set again at around 2.35. The elevation of the sun (or lack of it) at midday has to be seen to be believed. Yes, amazing, isn't it? Makes for wonderful low light for photography. Cheer up, spring is on its way ![]() Anne |
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I agree with you, Anne, in asking Tudor not to tar everyone
with the same brush but for a different reason. I also endured the British Standard Time experiment and hated it. Even down in this neck of the woods, I found myself driving driving to work and going home in the dark during the middle of the winter. That is exactly what happened to me in GMT, and the main reason why I hate reverting to GMT. I never saw daylight, other than through an office window, from Sunday afternoons to Saturday mornings between the start of GMT and about the beginning of March. It's said that it's safer for schoolchildren to cycle home from school in the light The trouble is that when the hours of daylight are shorter than the school day, they either have to cycle/walk to school in the dark or cycle/walk home from school in the dark. I would have thought that they are more likely to be alert in the mornings and better able to avoid accidents than after a day's hard work at school when they are tired and de-mob happy. I think I remeber reading somewhere the the RoSPA had calculated that sticking to BST would actually reduce the number of deaths and injuries compared with reverting to BST, even in northern parts of the UK. If that is so, how can reversion to GMT possibly be justified? but first of all, why not get them to have lights on their bikes? When I last checked this, 69% of cyclists here did not use any lights when cycling at night. Quite. And I also think that any motorist involved in an accident with someone wearing dark clothes on an unlit bike at night should be presumed innocent. As it is, even if the cyclist is not obeying the law by displaying a light, the motorist automatically gets the blame. I'd say we should ditch the whole "daylight-saving-time" idea and stick to GMT. I'd say, obviously, the complete opposite! ![]() during the hours of darkness what can be done indoors, and save the hours of daylight for things that need to be done out of doors. Anne |
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![]() "Anne B" wrote in message ... I agree with you, Anne, in asking Tudor not to tar everyone with the same brush but for a different reason. I also endured the British Standard Time experiment and hated it. Even down in this neck of the woods, I found myself driving driving to work and going home in the dark during the middle of the winter. That is exactly what happened to me in GMT, and the main reason why I hate reverting to GMT. I never saw daylight, other than through an office window, from Sunday afternoons to Saturday mornings between the start of GMT and about the beginning of March. It's said that it's safer for schoolchildren to cycle home from school in the light The trouble is that when the hours of daylight are shorter than the school day, they either have to cycle/walk to school in the dark or cycle/walk home from school in the dark. I would have thought that they are more likely to be alert in the mornings and better able to avoid accidents than after a day's hard work at school when they are tired and de-mob happy. I think I remeber reading somewhere the the RoSPA had calculated that sticking to BST would actually reduce the number of deaths and injuries compared with reverting to BST, even in northern parts of the UK. If that is so, how can reversion to GMT possibly be justified? but first of all, why not get them to have lights on their bikes? When I last checked this, 69% of cyclists here did not use any lights when cycling at night. Quite. And I also think that any motorist involved in an accident with someone wearing dark clothes on an unlit bike at night should be presumed innocent. As it is, even if the cyclist is not obeying the law by displaying a light, the motorist automatically gets the blame. I'd say we should ditch the whole "daylight-saving-time" idea and stick to GMT. I'd say, obviously, the complete opposite! ![]() hours of darkness what can be done indoors, and save the hours of daylight for things that need to be done out of doors. Roll on Scottish Independence when the Scots can do as they wish. If I had a vote I'd vote for independence as it makes sense for such a large country. Come on Nicola! Will -- " Some sects believe that the world was created 5000 years ago. Another sect believes that it was created in 1910 " http://www.lyneside.demon.co.uk/Hayt...antage_Pro.htm Will Hand (Haytor, Devon, 1017 feet asl) --------------------------------------------- |
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On Monday, 21 December 2015 13:09:02 UTC, wrote:
Well, there are larks and owls. I have a freind, and extreme lark, whao gets up ay 4am even in winter. I rarely get up before 9am if I can help it (although when I'm, at work I force myself to get up at 7). I would contend that if you get up in the dark, it doesn't much matter how long it stays dark after that. But the dark afternoons affect everyone, so making them lighter would affect everyone. Making mornings lighter only benefits some.... I'd give anything to be a lark. I'm a lifelong owl. Even my 8.30am alarm to get up for work feels like the world is ending. If ever I travel west a few time zones, I get a thrill from the waking at 6am with jetlag and actually feeling awake! But on the bright side, as an owl I earn more, get more ladies, am better at baseball...and am more of a procrastinator: http://www.fastcodesign.com/3046391/...ked-by-science Richard |
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"Joe Egginton" wrote in message
... On 20/12/2015 19:24, David Mitchell wrote: On Sunday, December 20, 2015 at 6:27:01 PM UTC, JohnD wrote: Sadly I missed marking the day, but I see from the SRSS tables (London) that the evenings started - to the nearest minute - to draw out last Wednesday (16th). Good to know psychologically if not visibly noticeable. I noticed this looking at data for France. In Correze, where I'm headed, it's now 1711, which, to my mind, really does make a huge difference psychologically and is preferable to lighter mornings. I hope that one day in the UK we'll move from putting the clocks back in Autumn for a year and then move onto double summer time. Yes I understand the arguments against, but surely there are more in favour. DBST in the summer and BST in winter, would work for England & Wales. We'll have to hope at the next Scots independence referendum, the Scots nationalists will win the referendum, then the jocks can set their own time. Does anyone know why we have to wait until the end of March for the clocks to go forwards? Clocks don't go back until approx 6 weeks before the winter solstice - there must be a reason they don't go forward until approx 12 weeks after it. KotF |
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On 22/12/2015 16:00, KotF wrote:
Does anyone know why we have to wait until the end of March for the clocks to go forwards? Clocks don't go back until approx 6 weeks before the winter solstice - there must be a reason they don't go forward until approx 12 weeks after it. I think that it's simply considerably warmer 6 weeks before the solstice than 6 weeks after it. 6 weeks after is early February which is still the depths of winter. No point in having the lighter evenings to make them more 'useable' if it's too cold in practice to make much use of the extra daylight. -- Col Bolton, Lancashire 160m asl Snow videos: http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3QvmL4UWBmHFMKWiwYm_gg |
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I think that it's simply considerably warmer 6 weeks before
the solstice than 6 weeks after it. 6 weeks after is early February which is still the depths of winter. No point in having the lighter evenings to make them more 'useable' if it's too cold in practice to make much use of the extra daylight. Col At least if there is the 'extra' daylight it's up to individuals to decide for themselves whether or not the 'extra' hour is 'useable' or not, rather than some sedentary office-wallah in deepest Whitehall or Greenwich! Just think of the extra hour's skiing one could get in if there were lighter evenings in February. Or if it's cold enough, skating after work on the local pond. Great! Anne |
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On Monday, 21 December 2015 06:27:48 UTC, Graham P Davis wrote:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 00:32:59 -0000 "Anne B" wrote: I can understand it being unpopular in Scotland but it was quite popular in England and Wales and I think it would be now, to judge what people say to me. I would very much like it. There is no reason why the Scots couldn't revert to GMT in the winter, no sensible reason, that is. Speaking as a Scot, I loved British Standard Time and I hate going back to GMT for the winter. I'd far rather have lighter afternoons than lighter mornings. Most of my friends agree. So while some vociferous Scots may have been involved n scrapping BST, it was by no means unanimous. Please don't tar us all with the same brush! Anne I agree with you, Anne, in asking Tudor not to tar everyone with the same brush but for a different reason. I also endured the British Standard Time experiment and hated it. Even down in this neck of the woods, I found myself driving driving to work and going home in the dark during the middle of the winter. It's said that it's safer for schoolchildren to cycle home from school in the light but first of all, why not get them to have lights on their bikes? When I last checked this, 69% of cyclists here did not use any lights when cycling at night. I heard the other day that one EU country - Portugal? - is planning to put the clocks back an hour so they'll be in line with UK time. Seems odd that we'd go the other way. I'd say we should ditch the whole "daylight-saving-time" idea and stick to GMT. -- Graham P Davis, Bracknell, Berks. [Retd meteorologist/programmer] http://www.scarlet-jade.com/ I wear the cheese. It does not wear me. Posted with Claws: http://www.claws-mail.org/ It must be 15-20 odd years ago, but Portugal during the summer was BST+1. The sun was just up by 8am and it was still delightfully light-and warm-at 11pm. Sadly the natives didn't like it and the hour came off some years later. |
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