Op maandag 21 december 2015 07:27:48 UTC+1 schreef Graham P Davis:

I heard the other day that one EU country - Portugal? - is planning to
put the clocks back an hour so they'll be in line with UK time. Seems
odd that we'd go the other way.

Portugal is already in line with UK time. It observes GMT in the winter and puts the clocks one hour forward in the summer just like other EU countries.

All EU countries change to summer and winter time on the same date, but not all continental EU countries are in the same time zone: Finland, Romania, Bulgaria, Greece and the Baltic countries are 2 hours ahead of GMT (in winter).

http://www.timeanddate.com/time/map/

Colin Youngs
Brussels

On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 02:35:42 -0800 (PST)
Colin Youngs wrote:

Op maandag 21 december 2015 07:27:48 UTC+1 schreef Graham P Davis:

I heard the other day that one EU country - Portugal? - is planning
to put the clocks back an hour so they'll be in line with UK time.
Seems odd that we'd go the other way.

Portugal is already in line with UK time. It observes GMT in the
winter and puts the clocks one hour forward in the summer just like
other EU countries.

I wasn't sure it was Portugal, hence the "?". Perhaps it was Spain?
Can't remember where I read or heard about it but it was only
a few days ago, certainly not as far back as this article:
http://www.timeanddate.com/news/time...ne-change.html

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As a southerner living in Scotland I find it utterly miserable
in winter and I doubt if the
clock setting would have much difference.
None at all, I imagine, and as one born and bred within 15 miles
of where you are, Trevor, I agree that it's miserable when it's
dank and grey like today, and barely light now at noon.

But it is compensted for by the long light evenings and summer
nights when it doesn't get really dark. Not to mention those
classic February days when it's clear and crisp, or the Northern
Lights on dark winter evenings. And the annual rainfall here is
so much lower than say on Dartmoor or Exmoor or Bodmin Moor.

Yesterday morning the sun rose over the hill at 9.38 and set
again at around 2.35. The
elevation of the sun (or lack of it) at midday has to be seen
to be believed.

Yes, amazing, isn't it? Makes for wonderful low light for
photography.

Cheer up, spring is on its way

Anne

I agree with you, Anne, in asking Tudor not to tar everyone
with the
same brush but for a different reason. I also endured the
British
Standard Time experiment and hated it. Even down in this neck
of the
woods, I found myself driving driving to work and going home
in the dark
during the middle of the winter.
That is exactly what happened to me in GMT, and the main reason
why I hate reverting to GMT. I never saw daylight, other than
through an office window, from Sunday afternoons to Saturday
mornings between the start of GMT and about the beginning of
March.

It's said that it's safer for schoolchildren to cycle home
from school
in the light
The trouble is that when the hours of daylight are shorter than
the school day, they either have to cycle/walk to school in the
dark or cycle/walk home from school in the dark. I would have
thought that they are more likely to be alert in the mornings
and better able to avoid accidents than after a day's hard work
at school when they are tired and de-mob happy.

I think I remeber reading somewhere the the RoSPA had calculated
that sticking to BST would actually reduce the number of deaths
and injuries compared with reverting to BST, even in northern
parts of the UK. If that is so, how can reversion to GMT
possibly be justified?

but first of all, why not get them to have lights on their
bikes? When I last checked this, 69% of cyclists here did not
use any
lights when cycling at night.
Quite. And I also think that any motorist involved in an
accident with someone wearing dark clothes on an unlit bike at
night should be presumed innocent. As it is, even if the cyclist
is not obeying the law by displaying a light, the motorist
automatically gets the blame.

I'd say we should ditch the whole "daylight-saving-time" idea
and stick
to GMT.
I'd say, obviously, the complete opposite! We should do
during the hours of darkness what can be done indoors, and save
the hours of daylight for things that need to be done out of
doors.

Anne

"Anne B" wrote in message
...
I agree with you, Anne, in asking Tudor not to tar everyone with the
same brush but for a different reason. I also endured the British
Standard Time experiment and hated it. Even down in this neck of the
woods, I found myself driving driving to work and going home in the dark
during the middle of the winter.
That is exactly what happened to me in GMT, and the main reason why I hate
reverting to GMT. I never saw daylight, other than through an office
window, from Sunday afternoons to Saturday mornings between the start of
GMT and about the beginning of March.

It's said that it's safer for schoolchildren to cycle home from school
in the light
The trouble is that when the hours of daylight are shorter than the school
day, they either have to cycle/walk to school in the dark or cycle/walk
home from school in the dark. I would have thought that they are more
likely to be alert in the mornings and better able to avoid accidents than
after a day's hard work at school when they are tired and de-mob happy.

I think I remeber reading somewhere the the RoSPA had calculated that
sticking to BST would actually reduce the number of deaths and injuries
compared with reverting to BST, even in northern parts of the UK. If that
is so, how can reversion to GMT possibly be justified?

but first of all, why not get them to have lights on their
bikes? When I last checked this, 69% of cyclists here did not use any
lights when cycling at night.
Quite. And I also think that any motorist involved in an accident with
someone wearing dark clothes on an unlit bike at night should be presumed
innocent. As it is, even if the cyclist is not obeying the law by
displaying a light, the motorist automatically gets the blame.

I'd say we should ditch the whole "daylight-saving-time" idea and stick
to GMT.
I'd say, obviously, the complete opposite! We should do during the
hours of darkness what can be done indoors, and save the hours of daylight
for things that need to be done out of doors.


Roll on Scottish Independence when the Scots can do as they wish. If I had a
vote I'd vote for independence as it makes sense for such a large country.
Come on Nicola!

Will
--
" Some sects believe that the world was created 5000 years ago. Another sect
believes that it was created in 1910 "
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Will Hand (Haytor, Devon, 1017 feet asl)
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On Monday, 21 December 2015 13:09:02 UTC, wrote:

Well, there are larks and owls. I have a freind, and extreme lark,
whao gets up ay 4am even in winter. I rarely get up before 9am if I
can help it (although when I'm, at work I force myself to get up at
7). I would contend that if you get up in the dark, it doesn't much
matter how long it stays dark after that. But the dark afternoons
affect everyone, so making them lighter would affect everyone. Making
mornings lighter only benefits some....

I'd give anything to be a lark. I'm a lifelong owl. Even my 8.30am alarm to get up for work feels like the world is ending. If ever I travel west a few time zones, I get a thrill from the waking at 6am with jetlag and actually feeling awake!

But on the bright side, as an owl I earn more, get more ladies, am better at baseball...and am more of a procrastinator: http://www.fastcodesign.com/3046391/...ked-by-science

Richard

"Joe Egginton" wrote in message
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On 20/12/2015 19:24, David Mitchell wrote:
On Sunday, December 20, 2015 at 6:27:01 PM UTC, JohnD wrote:
Sadly I missed marking the day, but I see from the SRSS tables (London)
that
the evenings started - to the nearest minute - to draw out last
Wednesday
(16th). Good to know psychologically if not visibly noticeable.

I noticed this looking at data for France. In Correze, where I'm headed,
it's now 1711, which, to my mind, really does make a huge difference
psychologically and is preferable to lighter mornings.
I hope that one day in the UK we'll move from putting the clocks back in
Autumn for a year and then move onto double summer time.
Yes I understand the arguments against, but surely there are more in
favour.


DBST in the summer and BST in winter, would work for England & Wales.
We'll have to hope at the next Scots independence referendum, the Scots
nationalists will win the referendum, then the jocks can set their own
time.

Does anyone know why we have to wait until the end of March for the clocks
to go forwards? Clocks don't go back until approx 6 weeks before the winter
solstice - there must be a reason they don't go forward until approx 12
weeks after it.

KotF

On 22/12/2015 16:00, KotF wrote:


Does anyone know why we have to wait until the end of March for the
clocks to go forwards? Clocks don't go back until approx 6 weeks before
the winter solstice - there must be a reason they don't go forward until
approx 12 weeks after it.


I think that it's simply considerably warmer 6 weeks before the solstice
than 6 weeks after it. 6 weeks after is early February which is still
the depths of winter. No point in having the lighter evenings to make
them more 'useable' if it's too cold in practice to make much use of the
extra daylight.
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl
Snow videos:
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3QvmL4UWBmHFMKWiwYm_gg

I think that it's simply considerably warmer 6 weeks before
the solstice than 6 weeks after it. 6 weeks after is early
February which is still the depths of winter. No point in
having the lighter evenings to make them more 'useable' if
it's too cold in practice to make much use of the extra
daylight.
Col

At least if there is the 'extra' daylight it's up to individuals
to decide for themselves whether or not the 'extra' hour is
'useable' or not, rather than some sedentary office-wallah in
deepest Whitehall or Greenwich!

Just think of the extra hour's skiing one could get in if there
were lighter evenings in February. Or if it's cold enough,
skating after work on the local pond. Great!

Anne

On Monday, 21 December 2015 06:27:48 UTC, Graham P Davis wrote:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 00:32:59 -0000
"Anne B" wrote:

I can understand it being unpopular in Scotland but it was
quite popular in England and
Wales and I think it would be now, to judge what people say to
me. I would very much like it. There is no reason why the
Scots couldn't revert to GMT in the winter, no sensible
reason, that is.
Speaking as a Scot, I loved British Standard Time and I hate
going back to GMT for the winter. I'd far rather have lighter
afternoons than lighter mornings. Most of my friends agree. So
while some vociferous Scots may have been involved n scrapping
BST, it was by no means unanimous. Please don't tar us all with
the same brush!
Anne


I agree with you, Anne, in asking Tudor not to tar everyone with the
same brush but for a different reason. I also endured the British
Standard Time experiment and hated it. Even down in this neck of the
woods, I found myself driving driving to work and going home in the dark
during the middle of the winter.

It's said that it's safer for schoolchildren to cycle home from school
in the light but first of all, why not get them to have lights on their
bikes? When I last checked this, 69% of cyclists here did not use any
lights when cycling at night.

I heard the other day that one EU country - Portugal? - is planning to
put the clocks back an hour so they'll be in line with UK time. Seems
odd that we'd go the other way.

I'd say we should ditch the whole "daylight-saving-time" idea and stick
to GMT.

--
Graham P Davis, Bracknell, Berks. [Retd meteorologist/programmer]
http://www.scarlet-jade.com/
I wear the cheese. It does not wear me.
Posted with Claws: http://www.claws-mail.org/

It must be 15-20 odd years ago, but Portugal during the summer was BST+1. The sun was just up by 8am and it was still delightfully light-and warm-at 11pm.
Sadly the natives didn't like it and the hour came off some years later.