In message ,
Tudor Hughes writes
I also get my milk delivered but the full cream version.

I was pleased when I switched to 1% fat to find that I couldn't really
tell the difference, unlike semi-skimmed milk which I think is horrid.

Do you get your thin stuff from the well-known Welsh dairy run by Dai
Lute the Milk?

Groan.
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On 20/01/2016 17:26, Tudor Hughes wrote:

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The minimum here was -5.3°C. The fall in temperature was smooth throughout indicating no cloud.
I also get my milk delivered but the full cream version. Do you get your thin stuff from the well-known Welsh dairy run by Dai Lute the Milk?

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On Wed, 20 Jan 2016 18:08:39 +0000
John Hall wrote:

In message ,
Tudor Hughes writes
I also get my milk delivered but the full cream version.

I was pleased when I switched to 1% fat to find that I couldn't
really tell the difference, unlike semi-skimmed milk which I think is
horrid.

I'd been buying the 1% milk for a long while but a few months ago the
shop only had full-cream available one morning. After I tried it, I
decided immediately that I couldn't go back to the purple-top stuff.

A year or two back, there was a great fuss over a scientific study
which had found that people who drank milk had less heart trouble than
others. Why there was a fuss at the time, I didn't know except that
scientists seem to have the memory span of goldfish and rarely, if
ever, seem to look at any research older than a couple of years. To my
knowledge, there had been a couple of studies over the previous twenty
years or so that had come to the same conclusion, namely, that milk,
even the full-cream stuff, reduced occurrences of heart disease.

Just to drag the subject some little was back to newsgroup's title,
the same sort of amnesia or laziness affects research into
meteorology and oceanography. For years, Lamb's work on long-range
forecasting from SST anomalies is ignored. Then there was the
"discovery" that the "Gulf Stream" can slow down or even shut down. Of
course, the Gulf Stream circulation can't shut down and evidence shows
that it has continued for at least 30,000 years, but it was known at
least forty years before this so-called discovery that the North
Atlantic Drift can suddenly shut down. A few days ago, an idea struck
me that might explain why it happens and how it doesn't result from
changes in the MOC (Meridional Overturning Circulation, not Met Office
College). I need some more thinking time on it before explaining more -
or not, if I realise I'm barking up the wrong tree in the wrong forest.

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On Wednesday, January 20, 2016 at 1:16:33 PM UTC, Ron Button wrote:
On 20/01/2016 07:57, Scott W wrote:
-5.7C the overnight low in Wanstead - edging yesterday's and making it the coldest night here for three years

You have a real frost hollow there Scott,despite clear skies all night
here in the Woodford heights no lower than 2.2c !

RonB

I quite like it, Ron. When we get snow this area seems to conserve it longest. I've lost count of the number of people who've remarked to me how much deeper the snow is here when they walk down from Wanstead. Perhaps the frost hollow effect is as good as living at 80m?

During my ride home the other night around midnight I did my own re-enaction of T.J Chandler's London traverse. The results, using a 10 quid thermometer taped to my bike, were interesting:
London Bridge: 2.7C
Tower of London: 2C
Bow flyover: 1C
Startford station: 0.7C
Maryland Point: 0C
Forest Gate: -0.7C
Middle of Wanstead Flats: -2.5C
Edge of Wanstead Flats: -2.2C
Aldersbrook estate by the entrance to Wanstead Park: -2.7C

On Wednesday, January 20, 2016 at 4:37:23 PM UTC, John Hall wrote:
In message ,
Richard Dixon writes
On Wednesday, 20 January 2016 07:57:45 UTC, Scott W wrote:
-5.7C the overnight low in Wanstead - edging yesterday's and making
it the coldest night here for three years

Given that 20th Jan is allegedly midwinter's day in England and Wales
(apparently it's 27th Jan in Scotland) then it seems fair for it to
start with the coldest morning of winter!

When I went to get my paper this morning at about 8am, the newsagent
said that it was -6C here in Cranleigh. I don't know how he knew, but it
certainly was a plausible figure, especially as Charlwood - 10 miles
east of here - recorded -6. It felt a good deal colder even than
yesterday morning's hard frost.

The milkman delivered my milk very early this morning. (I'm one of the
few who still have their milk delivered.) I brought it indoors at about
7:45. When I went to pour it into a jug at about 3:30pm, I had some
difficulty in doing so. I discovered that there was a small piece of
soft ice partly plugging the neck of the bottle, something I haven't
seen for many a long year. (My previous milkman used to deliver the milk
at about 11am, which may have been a factor in that, as may be the fact
that I recently switched from full fat to 1% fat milk.)
--
John Hall
"Honest criticism is hard to take,
particularly from a relative, a friend,
an acquaintance, or a stranger." Franklin P Jones

Our milk is delivered around 7am. It did occur to me that freezing of our skimmed milk would be a problem but it hasn't happened so far.
One thing I haven't seen for many a year is the top of milk pecked by blue tits. I don't know whether that is because few people order full fat milk any more?

In message ,
Scott W writes
One thing I haven't seen for many a year is the top of milk pecked by
blue tits. I don't know whether that is because few people order full
fat milk any more?

Not many people even have their milk delivered any more. I also wonder
if there's been a decline in the blue tit population, as I can't
remember seeing one in recent years while they used to be very common.
--
John Hall
"Honest criticism is hard to take,
particularly from a relative, a friend,
an acquaintance, or a stranger." Franklin P Jones

Ron Button Wrote in message:
On 20/01/2016 07:57, Scott W wrote:
-5.7C the overnight low in Wanstead - edging yesterday's and making it the coldest night here for three years

You have a real frost hollow there Scott,despite clear skies all night
here in the Woodford heights no lower than 2.2c !

RonB



Sounds like you were above the temperature inversion, Ron. The
cold air was very shallow. Look at reports for Stansted for a
similar effect. There was some cloud around too, which would have
a large effect on outgoing radiation.

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Freddie
Pontesbury
Shropshire
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