On Thursday, 18 February 2016 09:04:17 UTC, John Hall wrote:
In message ,
Lawrence Jenkins writes
The first map the 18th shows yellow everywhere but the SE yet its a
warning for the SE, the remainder show no snow warnings at all.

The reason why the SE got its warning was that the yellow area covered a
small part of the region that the MO calls SE England. The part in
question was west of London and north of the M4, and seemed to roughly
correspond to Oxfordshire and maybe a bit of Berkshire too. Personally I
wouldn't call Oxfordshire part of SE England, but it's in the MO region.
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No John I was making two points.

The first one was the ironic absurdity of showing a map with NO yellow warning on it whatsoever and yet issuing a yellow warning. Do you all understand that , the yellow warning map the first of five had yellow to the NW of London but nothing for London and the SE and the follow four showed no yellow whatsoever so what are e you meant to make of that map, because it actually predicted no snow for London and the SE

On Thursday, 18 February 2016 09:55:21 UTC, Richard Dixon wrote:
On Thursday, 18 February 2016 00:21:35 UTC, Lawrence Jenkins wrote:

This has happened every winter for years and is seen as a proxy for over fearful weather warnings when in fact the is hardly any reflection of reality. In all honesty you and others see the warnings all the time and do you think they reflect the actual weather that was experienced

But what do you do when, say, there's a 10% chance of roads becoming treacherous? Ignore altogether? They're on a hiding to nothing (or to 10%).

Richard


Its the way its phrased Richard. Why not just say there's a 10% chance and let people decide. I've noticed of late other people starting to feel these weather warnings are OTT but it seems you've all jumped on me , maybe its because I'm an idiot, eh?

On Thursday, 18 February 2016 12:06:54 UTC, George Booth wrote:
On 18/02/2016 08:58, John Hall wrote:
In message ,
Lawrence Jenkins writes
The first map the 18th shows yellow everywhere but the SE yet its a
warning for the SE, the remainder show no snow warnings at all.

The reason why the SE got its warning was that the yellow area covered a
small part of the region that the MO calls SE England. The part in
question was west of London and north of the M4, and seemed to roughly
correspond to Oxfordshire and maybe a bit of Berkshire too. Personally I
wouldn't call Oxfordshire part of SE England, but it's in the MO region.

Lawrence, just go to the foot of the page and you'll see the 'Local
Authorities affected..'
As I recall there was no mention of Greater London for this particular
warning.

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www.eppingweather.co.uk
www.winter1947.co.uk

The warning on the top of the home page clear said London and the SE. As for the bottom of the page its a bit late now.


It should do what it says on the tin not all this sensational warning tripe.

In message ,
Lawrence Jenkins writes
On Thursday, 18 February 2016 09:04:17 UTC, John Hall wrote:
In message ,
Lawrence Jenkins writes
The first map the 18th shows yellow everywhere but the SE yet its a
warning for the SE, the remainder show no snow warnings at all.

The reason why the SE got its warning was that the yellow area covered a
small part of the region that the MO calls SE England. The part in
question was west of London and north of the M4, and seemed to roughly
correspond to Oxfordshire and maybe a bit of Berkshire too. Personally I
wouldn't call Oxfordshire part of SE England, but it's in the MO region.

No John I was making two points.

The first one was the ironic absurdity of showing a map with NO yellow
warning on it whatsoever and yet issuing a yellow warning. Do you all
understand that , the yellow warning map the first of five had yellow
to the NW of London but nothing for London and the SE and the follow
four showed no yellow whatsoever so what are e you meant to make of
that map, because it actually predicted no snow for London and the SE

You can see the boundary of the area that the Met Office call "London
and the Southeast" clearly delineated on their maps. Daft though it may
seem, that L&SE region DOES incorporate that area to the NW of London to
which you refer. And if even the tiniest smidgen of the L&SE region as
defined by them is shown as being affected by the warning, then the
little icon of a snowflake will be portrayed in yellow. You and I can
both agree that it's not a very clear way of doing things, but it's not
actually incorrect.
--
John Hall
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particularly from a relative, a friend,
an acquaintance, or a stranger." Franklin P Jones

On 18/02/2016 17:52, Lawrence Jenkins wrote:
On Thursday, 18 February 2016 12:06:54 UTC, George Booth wrote:
On 18/02/2016 08:58, John Hall wrote:
In message ,
Lawrence Jenkins writes
The first map the 18th shows yellow everywhere but the SE yet its a
warning for the SE, the remainder show no snow warnings at all.

The reason why the SE got its warning was that the yellow area covered a
small part of the region that the MO calls SE England. The part in
question was west of London and north of the M4, and seemed to roughly
correspond to Oxfordshire and maybe a bit of Berkshire too. Personally I
wouldn't call Oxfordshire part of SE England, but it's in the MO region.

Lawrence, just go to the foot of the page and you'll see the 'Local
Authorities affected..'
As I recall there was no mention of Greater London for this particular
warning.

--
George in Swanston, Edinburgh, 580'asl
www.swanstonweather.co.uk
www.eppingweather.co.uk
www.winter1947.co.uk

The warning on the top of the home page clear said London and the SE. As for the bottom of the page its a bit late now.


It should do what it says on the tin not all this sensational warning tripe.


For UKMO purposes the highlighted area in the far NW of the map is
within the SE. It may not be your definition but that's what they use.
You'll find that definitions of regions and their boundaries is highly
variable, not just in the UK but world-wide.
Anyway, life's too short to get hung up about this. Take my earlier
advice and go straight to the foot of the page and check if Greater
London is mentioned.

--
George in Swanston, Edinburgh, 580'asl
www.swanstonweather.co.uk
www.eppingweather.co.uk
www.winter1947.co.uk

On Thursday, 18 February 2016 17:50:46 UTC, Lawrence Jenkins wrote:
On Thursday, 18 February 2016 09:55:21 UTC, Richard Dixon wrote:
On Thursday, 18 February 2016 00:21:35 UTC, Lawrence Jenkins wrote:

This has happened every winter for years and is seen as a proxy for over fearful weather warnings when in fact the is hardly any reflection of reality. In all honesty you and others see the warnings all the time and do you think they reflect the actual weather that was experienced

But what do you do when, say, there's a 10% chance of roads becoming treacherous? Ignore altogether? They're on a hiding to nothing (or to 10%).

Richard


Its the way its phrased Richard. Why not just say there's a 10% chance and let people decide. I've noticed of late other people starting to feel these weather warnings are OTT but it seems you've all jumped on me , maybe its because I'm an idiot, eh?

Well it takes one to know one.

On 18/02/2016 19:31, Freddie wrote:


The point you appeared to me to be making was that there was a
yellow warning issued for London and the South East, yet the map
of the custard splat didn't appear to you to be covering any of
London and the South East. Yet when I looked at the map, the
custard splat was covering northwestern parts of the Met Office
"London and South East" region - admittedly only a tiny part of
the region, but affecting it nonetheless.

That happens here too.
You will get a snow warning for NW England when in reality it's really a
NE England North Sea snow shower situation where the warning area just
happens to stray over the border in a high pennine area.
But awarnig for NW England nevertheless!

--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl
Snow videos:
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3QvmL4UWBmHFMKWiwYm_gg

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On Thursday, 18 February 2016 05:40:42 UTC, Freddie wrote:
Lawrence Jenkins Wrote in message:
On Wednesday, 17 February 2016 21:16:38 UTC, Freddie wrote:
Lawrence Jenkins Wrote in message:
On Wednesday, 17 February 2016 17:28:43 UTC, Graham wrote:
Sunday and Monday we had snow warnings for this area haven't a clue why,
both sunny days!
Today the warning as been in force for much of the day until 10am tomorrow.
Rained all day and the cloud is now clearing so where is the snow going to
come from?
The haven't got a clue!


Graham (Weston Coyney)

Because UKMO are on the way OTT H&S train that middle class lefty idiotic ride as their way of fighting capitalism and oppression. Of course the train is driven by electric generated solely by wind turbines.

Here in the SE which I class as London, Surrey, Kent and south Essex we have a yellow snow warning, yet when you click on their SE link its devoid of any yellow peril whatsoever

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/w...ime=1455667200


UKMO do this time and time again and have done so for easily over two decades .

I've always maintained that if any future climate historian used the UKMO warning system as a proxy for British weather our future generation would get the impression we were all hanging on by our fingertips in one blast of snow after another. Of course when I've said this people say 'idiot'. but it is an absolute fact that everyone knows about but would not be seen to be agreeing with me . The warning system is a disgraceful farce and gives no true reflect or account of what actually happens

I followed the link and can see the warning. Did you
wait for the
map to load?

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Freddie
Pontesbury
Shropshire
102m AMSL
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Freddie:

It loads fine and shows five map dated Thursdays 18th until Monday 22nd

The first map the 18th shows yellow everywhere but the SE yet its a warning for the SE, the remainder show no snow warnings at all.
The map I saw showed some of the London and SE region affected.


This has happened every winter for years and is seen as a proxy for over fearful weather warnings when in fact the is hardly any reflection of reality.
Yes, but London and the SE doesn't begin and end in your back yard.

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Well Freddie if you actually tried reading what I said and not process through your you prejudices............. . Tell you what I'll stop there and as you obviously made an attempt to read my post, what point do you think I was trying to make?
Prejudices? Me? Hmmmm.....

The point you appeared to me to be making was that there was a
yellow warning issued for London and the South East, yet the map
of the custard splat didn't appear to you to be covering any of
London and the South East. Yet when I looked at the map, the
custard splat was covering northwestern parts of the Met Office
"London and South East" region - admittedly only a tiny part of
the region, but affecting it nonetheless.

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Pontesbury
Shropshire
102m AMSL
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