On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 11:06:06 -0000, "Eskimo Will"
wrote:

Why not, they are in the UK?

Agreed but they're hardly representative.

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On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 11:17:00 +0000
Alan White wrote:

On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 11:06:06 -0000, "Eskimo Will"
wrote:

Why not, they are in the UK?

Agreed but they're hardly representative.


Each station is only representative of the station itself. I drove to
Wattisham one Sunday just before the start of my night shift (00Z
start) along frosty roads with fields and trees heavy with hoar-frost.
This disappeared a few yards from the main gate and I arrived at the
office to find Honington had no frost or icy-road warnings in force for
the area. They'd misguidedly been going by our Wattisham obs which
bore no relevance to the local area whatsoever. A light-vessel in the
North Sea would have been as much use. As I recall, our air min for the
night was +3C but I guess it was closer to -3C within a few hundred
yards of the base when I'd arrived for work!

Several nights Wattisham had visibilities of over 20km when everywhere
else in East Anglia was no more than 2.5km in mist or industrial haze.
One night we had persistent cloud at 100ft or on the surface when the
whole UK had no cloud below 3,000ft at any time and, before anyone
asks, it wasn't upslope St.

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On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 11:43:45 +0000, Graham P Davis
wrote:

Each station is only representative of the station itself.

Yes, I understand that but the first two are mountain summits and the
third, although presumably it's close to the road, might as well be. To
include them in the list, I think, is a distortion of the overall
picture. Just my thoughts.

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On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 12:09:44 +0000
Alan White wrote:

On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 11:43:45 +0000, Graham P Davis
wrote:

Each station is only representative of the station itself.

Yes, I understand that but the first two are mountain summits and the
third, although presumably it's close to the road, might as well be.
To include them in the list, I think, is a distortion of the overall
picture. Just my thoughts.


So, Wattisham is on top of a Suffolk mountain! ;-)

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On Wednesday, 24 February 2016 12:09:41 UTC, Alan White wrote:
On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 11:43:45 +0000, Graham P Davis
wrote:

Each station is only representative of the station itself.

Yes, I understand that but the first two are mountain summits and the
third, although presumably it's close to the road, might as well be. To
include them in the list, I think, is a distortion of the overall
picture. Just my thoughts.

--
Alan White
Mozilla Firefox and Forte Agent.
By Loch Long, twenty-eight miles NW of Glasgow, Scotland.
Webcam and weather:- http://windycroft.co.uk/weather

Alan

Just what have I done to upset you? You seem to object to most of what I posts - if its something I truly am sorry an hope you will accept my apology.

As for minimum temperatures from SYNOPs thats the full list thats available to me. I include higher level sites for interests sake. These are official sites, I too would like the Met Office to release data from all the climat 99 sites they have, but they don't because they like to cling onto certain things of little value to anyone but amateur meteorologists! You can always look at the Met office WOW site but watch out for the quality from some of the sites, I certainly woudn't like to write an app to rank those temperatures!

Bruce.

On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 12:21:59 +0000, Graham P Davis
wrote:

So, Wattisham is on top of a Suffolk mountain! ;-)

Yes, at 85m :-)

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On Wednesday, 24 February 2016 12:57:14 UTC, xmetman wrote:
On Wednesday, 24 February 2016 12:09:41 UTC, Alan White wrote:
On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 11:43:45 +0000, Graham P Davis


Each station is only representative of the station itself.

Yes, I understand that but the first two are mountain summits and the
third, although presumably it's close to the road, might as well be. To
include them in the list, I think, is a distortion of the overall
picture. Just my thoughts.

--
Alan White
Mozilla Firefox and Forte Agent.
By Loch Long, twenty-eight miles NW of Glasgow, Scotland.
Webcam and weather:- http://windycroft.co.uk/weather

Alan

Just what have I done to upset you? You seem to object to most of what I posts - if its something I truly am sorry an hope you will accept my apology.

As for minimum temperatures from SYNOPs thats the full list thats available to me. I include higher level sites for interests sake. These are official sites, I too would like the Met Office to release data from all the climat 99 sites they have, but they don't because they like to cling onto certain things of little value to anyone but amateur meteorologists! You can always look at the Met office WOW site but watch out for the quality from some of the sites, I certainly woudn't like to write an app to rank those temperatures!

Bruce.
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Quite right Bruce.
As long as you have the altitude of the station included, we are not children and can make our own judgements on representivity.

Len
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On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 12:21:59 +0000, Graham P Davis
wrote:

So, Wattisham is on top of a Suffolk mountain! ;-)

Yes, at 85m :-)
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This debate about representativeness is pointless. Bruce gave the whole
list, it is up to the user to use it appropriately.
Here in Devon I live at 310m and so the weather is totally different to the
lowlands or coastal areas. But mine is equally as valid provided it is used
appropriately. FWIW my min. last night was +0.2C, without that observation
people would not have known that and just assumed that Dartmoor would be
sub-zero, because "it's alwers cold on't moor in yur " :-)

Will
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On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 04:57:13 -0800 (PST), xmetman
wrote:

Just what have I done to upset you? You seem to object to most of what I posts - if its something I truly am sorry an hope you will accept my apology.

For the record, I don't object to most of what you post. In all my posts
to ukw since 1997, over 4000, I have only responded to eight of your
posts and one of those was to compliment you on a beautiful sunrise
photograph.

You've done nothing at all to upset me so there is absolutely no need
for an apology. However, I seem to have upset you which was never my
intention and if that is the case then I also apologise.

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On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 14:00:03 -0000, "Eskimo Will"
wrote:

This debate about representativeness is pointless. Bruce gave the whole
list, it is up to the user to use it appropriately.

I wasn't trying to start a war, honest. I was just expressing my
thoughts.

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