On Mon, 5 Sep 2016 17:00:32 -0700 (PDT)
Alastair wrote:

On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 7:43:01 AM UTC+1, Graham P Davis
wrote:
On Sun, 4 Sep 2016 11:59:33 -0700 (PDT)
Alastair wrote:

Those covering that era (August? 1959 to sometime in 1982?) were
produced by the Met Office and should be available at their
Library/Archive but the paper copies may have gone missing. I've
asked for copies (they used to cost 3/6d!) but have been told that
I can only see them by visiting Exeter. If I'd known how important
they'd become I would've kept copies during the time I was
producing them.

The Met Office started production of Arctic Ice charts after the
Danish Met Institute end theirs. Their entire production
(1893-1956) is online he http://brunnur.vedur.is/pub/trausti/.
The charts are at the bottom of the page, either as jpg or pdf.

In the absence of easily-available charts for 1963, I used the
following graph to compare 2007 with 1963:
http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosph....1900-2010.png
I used 2007 because this year has just overtaken that year to be in
second place behind 2012.


Thanks Graham,

I had forgotten about
http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosph....1900-2010.png

It would be nice if someone could get your maps from the Met Office
and put them on the web, but won't there be a problem with copyright?
But I am not volunteering. I've already got too many unfinished
jobs :-(


I would've done it but I have a horrible feeling that they've got rid
of the A4/foolscap published charts and merely retained the working
charts. I recall that it was official policy forty-five years ago that
only original working charts had to be kept although I'm fairly sure
the published monthly ice maps were there a few years ago, they're just
not listed in that format now. In any case, I'm not traipsing down to
Exeter on a wild goose chase.

--
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I wear the cheese. It does not wear me.
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On Sunday, 4 September 2016 19:30:14 UTC+1, Graham P Davis wrote:
On Sun, 4 Sep 2016 09:26:37 -0700 (PDT)
Alastair wrote:

On Saturday, September 3, 2016 at 11:35:16 PM UTC+1, Lawrence Jenkins
wrote:
http://www.britishpathe.com/video/at...-at-north-pole

That was the summer before the fabled winter of 1962/63

A bit like this year!

ftp://ftp-projects.zmaw.de/seaice/AM...R2_3.125km.png
http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/plots/mea...meanT_2016.png
https://sites.google.com/site/arctic...entration-maps
http://polar.ncep.noaa.gov/seaice/analysis/nh.xml
http://www.iup.uni-bremen.de:8084/am...2_previous.png

Yes, except that the extent of the ice this year at the moment is half
what it was in 1963.

That is because they went in daylight.
One of them bent his pole with the window in it. When he said up periscope he discovered that they still have ice in summer.

They should have sent Russians!
Americans are slow learners.

They sent their whole fleet to Hawaii to prove there was a war going on. Two decades later they were trying to find out how hot it was. With windows on sticks.

Anyone else would have used thermometers.

Exerpt froma US newspaper:

Right now there are only two ways to enter and exit Hampton Cove, either by taking Hwy 431 or Cecil Ashburn Drive. Next year the city of Huntsville will be expanding Cecil Ashburn into four lanes to help with congestion.

"It's going to be a disaster a huge mess you won't be able to get in and out," James Taylor said.

Sounds like they are hiring a French firm to make it more like Calais. Obviously the ones that planned Omaha.

On Sunday, 4 September 2016 17:26:38 UTC+1, Alastair wrote:
On Saturday, September 3, 2016 at 11:35:16 PM UTC+1, Lawrence Jenkins wrote:
http://www.britishpathe.com/video/at...-at-north-pole

That was the summer before the fabled winter of 1962/63

A bit like this year!

http://polar.ncep.noaa.gov/seaice/analysis/nh.xml

There seems to be an exceptional amount of krill in this one is that because of the reduced number of non shell producing mamals or because of the excessive production of calcium carboniferides?

What exactly does krill eat when the algae production is this low/high?

On Sunday, 4 September 2016 19:30:14 UTC+1, Graham P Davis wrote:
On Sun, 4 Sep 2016 09:26:37 -0700 (PDT)
Alastair wrote:

On Saturday, September 3, 2016 at 11:35:16 PM UTC+1, Lawrence Jenkins
wrote:
http://www.britishpathe.com/video/at...-at-north-pole

That was the summer before the fabled winter of 1962/63

A bit like this year!

ftp://ftp-projects.zmaw.de/seaice/AM...R2_3.125km.png
http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/plots/mea...meanT_2016.png
https://sites.google.com/site/arctic...entration-maps
http://polar.ncep.noaa.gov/seaice/analysis/nh.xml
http://www.iup.uni-bremen.de:8084/am...2_previous.png

Yes, except that the extent of the ice this year at the moment is half
what it was in 1963.

In 1963 following the errors in the design of the Russian Hydrogen bomb the SSW was even more sudden and a hell of a lot more extensive. However for reasons best known to themselves both sides seemed to have felt it a benevolent idea that we not be told about conditions after that thing.

And so the data from military bases in the Arctic has only recently become available. One wonders why the alarmist haven't been all over it by now.

At least the ones not arcticually working for the obscure I **** on Korn Krop Kollective:

https://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpr...eat-prices.png

On Sunday, 4 September 2016 19:59:34 UTC+1, Alastair wrote:
On Sunday, 4 September 2016 19:30:14 UTC+1, Graham P Davis wrote:
On Sun, 4 Sep 2016 09:26:37 -0700 (PDT)
Alastair wrote:

On Saturday, September 3, 2016 at 11:35:16 PM UTC+1, Lawrence Jenkins
wrote:
http://www.britishpathe.com/video/at...-at-north-pole

That was the summer before the fabled winter of 1962/63

A bit like this year!

ftp://ftp-projects.zmaw.de/seaice/AM...R2_3.125km.png
http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/plots/mea...meanT_2016.png
https://sites.google.com/site/arctic...entration-maps
http://polar.ncep.noaa.gov/seaice/analysis/nh.xml
http://www.iup.uni-bremen.de:8084/am...2_previous.png

Yes, except that the extent of the ice this year at the moment is half
what it was in 1963.

Where can I see charts of the sea-ice before the satellite era, especially 1962,3 & 4?

The bits of the Pentagon that were not blown up by the Phantom at the same time as the x-files belonging to a well known government enquiry.

On Tuesday, 6 September 2016 07:15:36 UTC+1, Graham P Davis wrote:
On Mon, 5 Sep 2016 17:00:32 -0700 (PDT)
Alastair wrote:

On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 7:43:01 AM UTC+1, Graham P Davis
wrote:
On Sun, 4 Sep 2016 11:59:33 -0700 (PDT)
Alastair wrote:

Those covering that era (August? 1959 to sometime in 1982?) were
produced by the Met Office and should be available at their
Library/Archive but the paper copies may have gone missing. I've
asked for copies (they used to cost 3/6d!) but have been told that
I can only see them by visiting Exeter. If I'd known how important
they'd become I would've kept copies during the time I was
producing them.

The Met Office started production of Arctic Ice charts after the
Danish Met Institute end theirs. Their entire production
(1893-1956) is online he http://brunnur.vedur.is/pub/trausti/.
The charts are at the bottom of the page, either as jpg or pdf.

In the absence of easily-available charts for 1963, I used the
following graph to compare 2007 with 1963:
http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosph....1900-2010.png
I used 2007 because this year has just overtaken that year to be in
second place behind 2012.


Thanks Graham,

I had forgotten about
http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosph....1900-2010.png

It would be nice if someone could get your maps from the Met Office
and put them on the web, but won't there be a problem with copyright?
But I am not volunteering. I've already got too many unfinished
jobs :-(


I would've done it but I have a horrible feeling that they've got rid
of the A4/foolscap published charts and merely retained the working
charts. I recall that it was official policy forty-five years ago that
only original working charts had to be kept although I'm fairly sure
the published monthly ice maps were there a few years ago, they're just
not listed in that format now. In any case, I'm not traipsing down to
Exeter on a wild goose chase.

Exitdoor Exitdoor who ya gonna call?
Everyone here still working there has now killfiled us all
Exitdoor Exitdoor Wet sheep in the way
All you need are dead deer files in places like Bjarnarey

Riding through the open sea on a nonstick holiday the Chinese freighters go with birdflu on the way.
The Ruskies won't say no, nor can the USA. The bunker oil exhausts will highlight them today.
Beware the black sea ice rising to the warm what horrors' yet to come from Graphiclayotherm

Who's dreaming of a white sickmess with SSWs everywhere?
With wavetops glistening, Tornado-Watch listening to hear what sounds like old sinus or tin-ear?

On Monday, 5 September 2016 20:00:06 UTC+1, Col wrote:
On 04/09/2016 20:58, Alastair wrote:
On Saturday, 3 September 2016 23:35:16 UTC+1, Lawrence Jenkins wrote:
http://www.britishpathe.com/video/at...-at-north-pole

That was the summer before the fabled winter of 1962/63

Lawrence,

Are you sure that was shot at the North Pole? There is no sign of Santa and his little elves.

Don't be ridiculous, everybody knows that Santa lives in Lapland!

--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl
Snow videos:
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3QvmL4UWBmHFMKWiwYm_gg

No it isn't that's where lap dancers come from and pole dancers from the North pole.

On Wednesday, 7 September 2016 11:49:01 UTC+1, Lawrence Jenkins wrote:
On Monday, 5 September 2016 20:00:06 UTC+1, Col wrote:
On 04/09/2016 20:58, Alastair wrote:
On Saturday, 3 September 2016 23:35:16 UTC+1, Lawrence Jenkins wrote:
http://www.britishpathe.com/video/at...-at-north-pole

That was the summer before the fabled winter of 1962/63

Lawrence,

Are you sure that was shot at the North Pole? There is no sign of Santa and his little elves.

Don't be ridiculous, everybody knows that Santa lives in Lapland!

--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl
Snow videos:
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3QvmL4UWBmHFMKWiwYm_gg

No it isn't that's where lap dancers come from and pole dancers from the North pole.

Pole dancers from the North pole come from Lapland. You don't mean Eastern European Northern Polish Laps?