On 19/12/16 13:02, MartinR wrote:
On Sunday, 11 December 2016 21:00:03 UTC, Martin Dixon wrote:
In message
"Graham" wrote:

Up to 13c today felt quite warm despite the lack of sunshine.
Noticed as I passed the newspaper stand the clowns who were predicting 3
months of snow & ice are now going for a hot Christmas day, mind you they do
have more chance of getting that one right

In this age of global warming maybe December's are going to become more like
October's?


Graham (Weston Coyney)

October's and December's what? That's a genitivem not a plural.


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I work with PhD-qualified colleagues who put apostrophes in plurals. I blame Brexit and Trump.


I didn't know you could get a PhD in grocery.


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On Monday, 19 December 2016 13:02:54 UTC, MartinR wrote:
On Sunday, 11 December 2016 21:00:03 UTC, Martin Dixon wrote:
In message
"Graham" wrote:

Up to 13c today felt quite warm despite the lack of sunshine.
Noticed as I passed the newspaper stand the clowns who were predicting 3
months of snow & ice are now going for a hot Christmas day, mind you they do
have more chance of getting that one right

In this age of global warming maybe December's are going to become more like
October's?


Graham (Weston Coyney)

October's and December's what? That's a genitivem not a plural.


--
My weather station data is now uploaded to Weather Underground.
http://www.wunderground.com/personal...D=IENGLAND1344
Local forecast at:
http://www.wunderground.com/q/zmw:00...p=IENGLAND1344

I work with PhD-qualified colleagues who put apostrophes in plurals. I blame Brexit and Trump.

MartinR

You mean Trumps stupid supporters?

On Monday, 19 December 2016 14:57:27 UTC, Alastair wrote:
On Monday, 19 December 2016 13:02:54 UTC, MartinR wrote:
On Sunday, 11 December 2016 21:00:03 UTC, Martin Dixon wrote:
In message
"Graham" wrote:

Up to 13c today felt quite warm despite the lack of sunshine.
Noticed as I passed the newspaper stand the clowns who were predicting 3
months of snow & ice are now going for a hot Christmas day, mind you they do
have more chance of getting that one right

In this age of global warming maybe December's are going to become more like
October's?


Graham (Weston Coyney)

October's and December's what? That's a genitivem not a plural.


--
My weather station data is now uploaded to Weather Underground.
http://www.wunderground.com/personal...D=IENGLAND1344
Local forecast at:
http://www.wunderground.com/q/zmw:00...p=IENGLAND1344

I work with PhD-qualified colleagues who put apostrophes in plurals. I blame Brexit and Trump.

MartinR

You mean Trumps stupid supporters?

Seriously, can anyone confirm that this is correct? "... and Brooks’s ice frigid air effect" where Brooks is C.E.P Brooks F.R.Met.Soc.

TIA.

On 19/12/2016 14:57, Alastair wrote:
On Monday, 19 December 2016 13:02:54 UTC, MartinR wrote:
On Sunday, 11 December 2016 21:00:03 UTC, Martin Dixon wrote:
In message
"Graham" wrote:

Up to 13c today felt quite warm despite the lack of sunshine.
Noticed as I passed the newspaper stand the clowns who were predicting 3
months of snow & ice are now going for a hot Christmas day, mind you they do
have more chance of getting that one right

In this age of global warming maybe December's are going to become more like
October's?


Graham (Weston Coyney)

October's and December's what? That's a genitivem not a plural.


--
My weather station data is now uploaded to Weather Underground.
http://www.wunderground.com/personal...D=IENGLAND1344
Local forecast at:
http://www.wunderground.com/q/zmw:00...p=IENGLAND1344

I work with PhD-qualified colleagues who put apostrophes in plurals. I blame Brexit and Trump.

MartinR

You mean Trumps stupid supporters?

I though the term was 'deplorable'.



--

Paul Hyett, Cheltenham

In message ,
Alastair writes
Seriously, can anyone confirm that this is correct? "... and Brooks’s
ice frigid air effect" where Brooks is C.E.P Brooks F.R.Met.Soc.

I go by how I would pronounce it, and on that basis would write Brooks'
rather than Brooks's. ("Ice frigid air" also looks rather strange.)
--
John Hall
"One can certainly imagine the myriad of uses
for a hand-held iguana maker"
Hobbes (the tiger, not the philosopher!)

On 18/12/2016 19:40, Adam Lea wrote:
On 18/12/2016 18:22, Graham wrote:


:The SST anomalies still point to a preponderance of cyclonic westerlies
:for the UK so another mild winter seems most likely. The pattern looks a
:bit more favourable for more meridional patterns than in recent years
:but a north-westerly reaching us from the East Greenland Sea would not
:be anywhere near as cold as it was fifty years ago when there was at
:least twice as much ice there as there is now.

I did say when Scott did his winter forecast on the 1st that I fancied
another mild or very mild December and looking at the charts see no
reason to change that view.
Despite a chilly night last night the mean still way up here at +2.6c
Yet another green Christmas, I wonder how many of them we've had in the
last 50 years


Graham


Well a green Christmas, at least for where most people live, is way more
likely climatologically than a white Christmas (even when they try to
make it as likely as possible by using the absurd requirement of a
single flake of snow to fall). The snowy landscapes on Christmas cards
go back to the little ice age when white Christmases and cold winters
would have been far more frequent. December 2010 and March 2013 are very
much the exception rather than the rule.

But isn't the single snowflake definition essentially that of a 'snow
day' which
is a standard meteorological obsevation? The only other way to do it
would be a day with snow lying, which would seem rather unfair if a
major blizzard set in at 10am.


--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl
Snow videos:
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3QvmL4UWBmHFMKWiwYm_gg

On 19/12/2016 13:02, MartinR wrote:
On Sunday, 11 December 2016 21:00:03 UTC, Martin Dixon wrote:
In message
"Graham" wrote:

Up to 13c today felt quite warm despite the lack of sunshine.
Noticed as I passed the newspaper stand the clowns who were predicting 3
months of snow & ice are now going for a hot Christmas day, mind you they do
have more chance of getting that one right

In this age of global warming maybe December's are going to become more like
October's?


Graham (Weston Coyney)

October's and December's what? That's a genitivem not a plural.


--
My weather station data is now uploaded to Weather Underground.
http://www.wunderground.com/personal...D=IENGLAND1344
Local forecast at:
http://www.wunderground.com/q/zmw:00...p=IENGLAND1344

I work with PhD-qualified colleagues who put apostrophes in plurals. I blame Brexit and Trump.


At the entrance to where I work there is a sign referring to "HGV's".
You would think a professional signwriter would know better,even if they
had been originally provided with invorrect information.

--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl
Snow videos:
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3QvmL4UWBmHFMKWiwYm_gg

In message , Col
writes
But isn't the single snowflake definition essentially that of a 'snow
day' which
is a standard meteorological obsevation? The only other way to do it
would be a day with snow lying, which would seem rather unfair if a
major blizzard set in at 10am.

I don't know see that as especially unfair. After all, with the single
snowflake definition, if it truly was just one (or even a handful) of
snowflakes, the observer might very well miss it. (I doubt that there's
any automated equipment capable of spotting a single snowflake.) Or you
could get a snow shower occurring a mile away from the met. station but
not at the station itself (or vice versa). The phrase "white Christmas"
makes much more sense if it refers to lying snow, and it's certainly how
I have always thought of it.
--
John Hall
"One can certainly imagine the myriad of uses
for a hand-held iguana maker"
Hobbes (the tiger, not the philosopher!)

On 19/12/2016 18:15, John Hall wrote:
In message , Col
writes
But isn't the single snowflake definition essentially that of a 'snow
day' which
is a standard meteorological obsevation? The only other way to do it
would be a day with snow lying, which would seem rather unfair if a
major blizzard set in at 10am.

I don't know see that as especially unfair. After all, with the single
snowflake definition, if it truly was just one (or even a handful) of
snowflakes, the observer might very well miss it. (I doubt that there's
any automated equipment capable of spotting a single snowflake.) Or you
could get a snow shower occurring a mile away from the met. station but
not at the station itself (or vice versa). The phrase "white Christmas"
makes much more sense if it refers to lying snow, and it's certainly how
I have always thought of it.

Unfair in the sense that it would miss the official definition of a
'snow lying day' if there was lying snow after the 9am observation time.

--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl
Snow videos:
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3QvmL4UWBmHFMKWiwYm_gg

On Monday, 19 December 2016 17:05:45 UTC, John Hall wrote:
In message ,
Alastair writes
Seriously, can anyone confirm that this is correct? "... and Brooks’s
ice frigid air effect" where Brooks is C.E.P Brooks F.R.Met.Soc.

I go by how I would pronounce it, and on that basis would write Brooks'
rather than Brooks's. ("Ice frigid air" also looks rather strange.)

Thanks John,

I'll use Brooks'. His feedback is similar to the the ice-albedo feedback but applies when there is no sun. Perhaps the ice-air positive feedback would be better