Home |
Search |
Today's Posts |
![]() |
|
uk.sci.weather (UK Weather) (uk.sci.weather) For the discussion of daily weather events, chiefly affecting the UK and adjacent parts of Europe, both past and predicted. The discussion is open to all, but contributions on a practical scientific level are encouraged. |
Reply |
|
LinkBack | Thread Tools | Display Modes |
#31
![]() |
|||
|
|||
![]()
On Sunday, 29 January 2017 11:20:07 UTC, John Hall wrote:
In message , Alastair writes On Saturday, 28 January 2017 21:56:04 UTC, John Hall wrote: In message , Alastair writes This chart is a little ahead of the NSIDC one and you can see from it that the Arctic sea ice has begun to melt again. https://ads.nipr.ac.jp/vishop/#/extent If the amount of Arctic sea ice is reducing in JANUARY, even if it turns out to be only for a day or two, that seems remarkable and really brings it home just how far global warming has gone. It happened in 2012. http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/ch...sea-ice-graph/ The sea ice etc. is chaotic, which makes it very difficult to predict. It is very difficult to work out what it is going to do until it has done it :-) I can see that its chaotic nature would make it likely that in any particular region it would reduce from time to time even in midwinter. But it still seems remarkable to me that, taken over the Arctic as a whole, the areas where the extent was reducing should be sufficient to outweigh the areas where it was increasing, even for a brief period. -- John Hall "One can certainly imagine the myriad of uses for a hand-held iguana maker" Hobbes (the tiger, not the philosopher!) Sorry to bring politics into this but paraphrasing our beloved prime minister "Chaotic means chaotic." :-) |
#32
![]() |
|||
|
|||
![]()
In message ,
Weatherlawyer writes On Saturday, 28 January 2017 21:56:04 UTC, John Hall wrote: In message , Alastair writes This chart is a little ahead of the NSIDC one and you can see from it that the Arctic sea ice has begun to melt again. https://ads.nipr.ac.jp/vishop/#/extent If the amount of Arctic sea ice is reducing in JANUARY, even if it turns out to be only for a day or two, that seems remarkable and really brings it home just how far global warming has gone. Dimwit! Wouldn't it mean that there is something a little deeper behind it? Or don't you use logic where you come in? All I can think is how badly you are going to hurt when you are shown up as the clown you are. When that happens get a copy of the film Marvellous about a clown called Nello and it may help you get over yourself. I have tolerated your incomprehensible ramblings, but I draw the line at unprovoked abuse. Plonk. -- John Hall "One can certainly imagine the myriad of uses for a hand-held iguana maker" Hobbes (the tiger, not the philosopher!) |
#33
![]() |
|||
|
|||
![]()
On 29/01/2017 14:39, N_Cook wrote:
Change of title required as global sea-ice extent down to a new record of 16.414 million sq km on 28 Jan 2017 using Chrctic NSIDC data retittled for new record 16.331 million on the 29 Jan 2017 Antarctic extent still going down closing in to all-time minimum, 2.635 million for 29 Jan towards 2.290 million of 27 Feb 1997 record min, likely going under by end of the week. Global extent normalised anomaly is still negative going at -2.272 |
#34
![]() |
|||
|
|||
![]()
https://youtu.be/Owm25OHGglk?t=1633
If the amount of Arctic sea ice is reducing in JANUARY, even if it turns out to be only for a day or two, that seems remarkable and really brings it home just how far global warming has gone. Let me rephrase that for the benefit of other dimwits: If the amount of Arctic sea ice is reducing in JANUARY, it show just how far global warming has gone. In case you have ever wondered how it get cold for even as short a period as a day or so, it can't possibly due to glowballs. Can it? How ****ing stupid do you have to be to plonk someone for stating the obvious? Dunce! John of Dunce Hall can't see that it has to have a cause. But to select one dimwit for being the dunce isn't playing fair with his cohort. They are all ****ing dimwits, I hope they don't all plonk me. That would be upsetting to be plonked by plonkers. What a load of cock! |
#35
![]() |
|||
|
|||
![]()
On Monday, 30 January 2017 15:16:05 UTC, N_Cook wrote:
On 29/01/2017 14:39, N_Cook wrote: Change of title required as global sea-ice extent down to a new record of 16.414 million sq km on 28 Jan 2017 using Chrctic NSIDC data retittled for new record There is nothing I like better than when scientits make the dubious inevitable. 16.331 million on the 29 Jan 2017 Antarctic extent still going down closing in to all-time minimum, 2.635 million for 29 Jan towards 2.290 million of 27 Feb 1997 record min, likely going under by end of the week. Global extent normalised anomaly is still negative going at -2.272 And kick a dead sheep in the indisputables whilst doing so. For some reason the Battle of Dieppe (arranged by Britain's favourite anti-Canadian song and dance man) comes into my head like the memories of a war crime. Maybe it because he was undoubtedly struck with some sort of malediction similar to that with which the Clinton Parties are all falling down with, these days: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:L...hurchill#Death |
#36
![]() |
|||
|
|||
![]()
Ah well, at least I have learned how to spell: verisimilitude.
One of us has managed to learn something: http://weatherlawyer.altervista.org/gods-unfortunates/ |
#37
![]() |
|||
|
|||
![]()
On Monday, 30 January 2017 17:02:11 UTC, Weatherlawyer wrote:
https://youtu.be/Owm25OHGglk?t=1633 If the amount of Arctic sea ice is reducing in JANUARY, even if it turns out to be only for a day or two, that seems remarkable and really brings it home just how far global warming has gone. Let me rephrase that for the benefit of other dimwits: If the amount of Arctic sea ice is reducing in JANUARY, it show just how far global warming has gone. In case you have ever wondered how it get cold for even as short a period as a day or so, it can't possibly due to glowballs. Can it? How ****ing stupid do you have to be to plonk someone for stating the obvious? Dunce! John of Dunce Hall can't see that it has to have a cause. But to select one dimwit for being the dunce isn't playing fair with his cohort. They are all ****ing dimwits, I hope they don't all plonk me. That would be upsetting to be plonked by plonkers. What a load of cock! 'In case you have ever wondered how it get cold for even as short a period as a day or so, it can't possibly due to lowballs.' This nutcase believes that if it gets cold, even for a day, or two, anywhere in the world, it can't be due to global warming. And that snow on the snake pass is related to volcanic eruptions. And that fog in his back garden is related to tropical storms. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🠘‚😂😂😂😂😂😂 Oh my sides ache. Please reconsider the kill file, John. This is far too entertaining and you know this really. Abuse is part and parcel of any interaction with w and you should have known that before posting any post, anywhere on usenet! |
#38
![]() |
|||
|
|||
![]()
On 30/01/2017 15:16, N_Cook wrote:
On 29/01/2017 14:39, N_Cook wrote: Change of title required as global sea-ice extent down to a new record of 16.414 million sq km on 28 Jan 2017 using Chrctic NSIDC data retittled for new record 16.331 million on the 29 Jan 2017 Antarctic extent still going down closing in to all-time minimum, 2.635 million for 29 Jan towards 2.290 million of 27 Feb 1997 record min, likely going under by end of the week. Global extent normalised anomaly is still negative going at -2.272 New title again 16.277 million sq km for 30 Jan Extent anomaly (normalised) still -going at -2.314 The "all-time" minimum Antarctic sea-ice looks to be on about 06 Feb 2017, stood at 2.589 m sq km yesterday, 300,000 sq km above that record as of yesterday |
#39
![]() |
|||
|
|||
![]()
I was just transcribing a recent public talk by Prof Gavin Foster of the
NOC, Southampton and thought the 22 to 24 tilt and albedo process described below, itself relatively small , might be analogous to the absent sea-ice process. Perhaps connecting effects at both poles concurrently, ie despite summer one pole , winter the other. Quote .... On top of this grand 1/2 million year cycle (pangea/break-up/pangea...), there is cycling of the climate on shorter time scales , due to how the Earth orbits around the Sun . This was recognised by Mulacan Milankovic ? , trying to understand why we had cold climates relatively recently. In 1920 he proposed that glaciations were driven by orbital changes of the Earth. The Earth is influenced by the other planets, every 41,000 years the tilt of the Earth changes from 24 degrees to 22 degrees, a change in the elliptic nature of the orbit, and the way the Earth spins , the precession like a spinning top . It has little effect on the amount of sunlight reaching the Earth but the distribution of that sunlight , through the year and where the maximum insolation is, changes as the orbit changes. Examples of cold orbit and a warm orbit . A cold orbit is when there is a small tilt , the north hemisphere is colder . A warm orbit the northern hemisphere is tilted towards the Sun i nthe summer. These orbits affect the local temp in the north hemisphere. In a cold orbit phase you get some ice-growth one summer , that ice stays , that increases the albedo because it is reflective, more sunlight is reflected and then on a global scale via a bunch of feedback effects also causes atmos CO2 to come down. That all leads to more cooloing , more ice growth, more CO2 stored in the ocean, more cooloing and so on. When we have a warm orbit, the ice retreats, decreases the albedo, less CO2 stored in oceans, more warming ... These orbital cycles are quite a small influence on the earth's radiative budget, but through the bunch of feedbacks they can cause dramatic climate change. ... End Quote |
#40
![]() |
|||
|
|||
![]()
On 31/01/2017 14:07, N_Cook wrote:
On 30/01/2017 15:16, N_Cook wrote: On 29/01/2017 14:39, N_Cook wrote: Change of title required as global sea-ice extent down to a new record of 16.414 million sq km on 28 Jan 2017 using Chrctic NSIDC data retittled for new record 16.331 million on the 29 Jan 2017 Antarctic extent still going down closing in to all-time minimum, 2.635 million for 29 Jan towards 2.290 million of 27 Feb 1997 record min, likely going under by end of the week. Global extent normalised anomaly is still negative going at -2.272 New title again 16.277 million sq km for 30 Jan Extent anomaly (normalised) still -going at -2.314 The "all-time" minimum Antarctic sea-ice looks to be on about 06 Feb 2017, stood at 2.589 m sq km yesterday, 300,000 sq km above that record as of yesterday Repeated text, just numbers changed New title again 16.241 million sq km for 30 Jan Extent anomaly (normalised) still -going at -2.340 The "all-time" minimum Antarctic sea-ice looks to be on about 07 Feb 2017, stood at 2.546 m sq km yesterday, 256,000 sq km above that 27 Feb 1997 record as of yesterday |
Reply |
Thread Tools | Search this Thread |
Display Modes | |
|
|
![]() |
||||
Thread | Forum | |||
[CC] Global Arctic+Antarctic Sea-Ice minimum record, 20 October 2016 | uk.sci.weather (UK Weather) | |||
[CC] Antarctic Sea-Ice extent "all-time" 38 year minimum record,13 Feb 2017 | uk.sci.weather (UK Weather) | |||
Massive Decline in Antarctic Sea Ice. Combined global Sea Ice hasDropped Significantly as Well. | uk.sci.weather (UK Weather) | |||
[CC] Arctic sea ice reaches minimum extent for 2014 | uk.sci.weather (UK Weather) | |||
Arctic sea ice reaches annual minimum extent | uk.sci.weather (UK Weather) |