On Sunday, 29 January 2017 11:20:07 UTC, John Hall wrote:
In message ,
Alastair writes
On Saturday, 28 January 2017 21:56:04 UTC, John Hall wrote:
In message ,
Alastair writes
This chart is a little ahead of the NSIDC one and you can see from it
that the Arctic sea ice has begun to melt again.
https://ads.nipr.ac.jp/vishop/#/extent

If the amount of Arctic sea ice is reducing in JANUARY, even if it turns
out to be only for a day or two, that seems remarkable and really brings
it home just how far global warming has gone.

It happened in 2012.
http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/ch...sea-ice-graph/

The sea ice etc. is chaotic, which makes it very difficult to predict.
It is very difficult to work out what it is going to do until it has
done it :-)

I can see that its chaotic nature would make it likely that in any
particular region it would reduce from time to time even in midwinter.
But it still seems remarkable to me that, taken over the Arctic as a
whole, the areas where the extent was reducing should be sufficient to
outweigh the areas where it was increasing, even for a brief period.
--
John Hall
"One can certainly imagine the myriad of uses
for a hand-held iguana maker"
Hobbes (the tiger, not the philosopher!)

Sorry to bring politics into this but paraphrasing our beloved prime minister "Chaotic means chaotic." :-)

In message ,
Weatherlawyer writes
On Saturday, 28 January 2017 21:56:04 UTC, John Hall wrote:
In message ,
Alastair writes
This chart is a little ahead of the NSIDC one and you can see from it
that the Arctic sea ice has begun to melt again.
https://ads.nipr.ac.jp/vishop/#/extent

If the amount of Arctic sea ice is reducing in JANUARY, even if it turns
out to be only for a day or two, that seems remarkable and really brings
it home just how far global warming has gone.

Dimwit!

Wouldn't it mean that there is something a little deeper behind it?
Or don't you use logic where you come in?

All I can think is how badly you are going to hurt when you are shown
up as the clown you are. When that happens get a copy of the film
Marvellous about a clown called Nello and it may help you get over
yourself.


I have tolerated your incomprehensible ramblings, but I draw the line at
unprovoked abuse. Plonk.
--
John Hall
"One can certainly imagine the myriad of uses
for a hand-held iguana maker"
Hobbes (the tiger, not the philosopher!)

On 29/01/2017 14:39, N_Cook wrote:
Change of title required as global sea-ice extent down to a new record
of 16.414 million sq km on 28 Jan 2017
using Chrctic NSIDC data

retittled for new record
16.331 million on the 29 Jan 2017
Antarctic extent still going down closing in to all-time minimum,
2.635 million for 29 Jan towards 2.290 million of 27 Feb 1997 record
min, likely going under by end of the week.
Global extent normalised anomaly is still negative going at -2.272

https://youtu.be/Owm25OHGglk?t=1633

If the amount of Arctic sea ice is reducing in JANUARY, even if it turns
out to be only for a day or two, that seems remarkable and really brings it home just how far global warming has gone.

Let me rephrase that for the benefit of other dimwits:

If the amount of Arctic sea ice is reducing in JANUARY, it show just how far global warming has gone.

In case you have ever wondered how it get cold for even as short a period as a day or so, it can't possibly due to glowballs.

Can it?

How ****ing stupid do you have to be to plonk someone for stating the obvious?
Dunce! John of Dunce Hall can't see that it has to have a cause.

But to select one dimwit for being the dunce isn't playing fair with his cohort. They are all ****ing dimwits, I hope they don't all plonk me.

That would be upsetting to be plonked by plonkers. What a load of cock!

On Monday, 30 January 2017 15:16:05 UTC, N_Cook wrote:
On 29/01/2017 14:39, N_Cook wrote:
Change of title required as global sea-ice extent down to a new record
of 16.414 million sq km on 28 Jan 2017
using Chrctic NSIDC data

retittled for new record

There is nothing I like better than when scientits make the dubious inevitable.

16.331 million on the 29 Jan 2017
Antarctic extent still going down closing in to all-time minimum,
2.635 million for 29 Jan towards 2.290 million of 27 Feb 1997 record
min, likely going under by end of the week.
Global extent normalised anomaly is still negative going at -2.272

And kick a dead sheep in the indisputables whilst doing so.

For some reason the Battle of Dieppe (arranged by Britain's favourite anti-Canadian song and dance man) comes into my head like the memories of a war crime.

Maybe it because he was undoubtedly struck with some sort of malediction similar to that with which the Clinton Parties are all falling down with, these days:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:L...hurchill#Death

Ah well, at least I have learned how to spell: verisimilitude.
One of us has managed to learn something:
http://weatherlawyer.altervista.org/gods-unfortunates/

On Monday, 30 January 2017 17:02:11 UTC, Weatherlawyer wrote:
https://youtu.be/Owm25OHGglk?t=1633

If the amount of Arctic sea ice is reducing in JANUARY, even if it turns
out to be only for a day or two, that seems remarkable and really brings it home just how far global warming has gone.

Let me rephrase that for the benefit of other dimwits:

If the amount of Arctic sea ice is reducing in JANUARY, it show just how far global warming has gone.

In case you have ever wondered how it get cold for even as short a period as a day or so, it can't possibly due to glowballs.

Can it?

How ****ing stupid do you have to be to plonk someone for stating the obvious?
Dunce! John of Dunce Hall can't see that it has to have a cause.

But to select one dimwit for being the dunce isn't playing fair with his cohort. They are all ****ing dimwits, I hope they don't all plonk me.

That would be upsetting to be plonked by plonkers. What a load of cock!

'In case you have ever wondered how it get cold for even as short a period as a day or so, it can't possibly due to lowballs.'

This nutcase believes that if it gets cold, even for a day, or two, anywhere in the world, it can't be due to global warming. And that snow on the snake pass is related to volcanic eruptions. And that fog in his back garden is related to tropical storms. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🠘‚😂😂😂😂😂😂

Oh my sides ache.

Please reconsider the kill file, John. This is far too entertaining and you know this really. Abuse is part and parcel of any interaction with w and you should have known that before posting any post, anywhere on usenet!

On 30/01/2017 15:16, N_Cook wrote:
On 29/01/2017 14:39, N_Cook wrote:
Change of title required as global sea-ice extent down to a new record
of 16.414 million sq km on 28 Jan 2017
using Chrctic NSIDC data

retittled for new record
16.331 million on the 29 Jan 2017
Antarctic extent still going down closing in to all-time minimum,
2.635 million for 29 Jan towards 2.290 million of 27 Feb 1997 record
min, likely going under by end of the week.
Global extent normalised anomaly is still negative going at -2.272

New title again
16.277 million sq km for 30 Jan
Extent anomaly (normalised) still -going at -2.314
The "all-time" minimum Antarctic sea-ice looks to be on about 06 Feb
2017, stood at 2.589 m sq km yesterday, 300,000 sq km above that record
as of yesterday

I was just transcribing a recent public talk by Prof Gavin Foster of the
NOC, Southampton and thought the 22 to 24 tilt and albedo process
described below, itself relatively small , might be analogous to the
absent sea-ice process. Perhaps connecting effects at both poles
concurrently, ie despite summer one pole , winter the other.
Quote
.... On top of this grand 1/2 million year cycle
(pangea/break-up/pangea...), there is cycling of the
climate on shorter time scales , due to how the Earth orbits around
the Sun . This was recognised by Mulacan Milankovic ? , trying
to understand why we had cold climates relatively recently.
In 1920 he proposed that glaciations were driven by orbital
changes of the Earth. The Earth is influenced by the other planets,
every 41,000 years the tilt of the Earth changes from 24 degrees
to 22 degrees, a change in the elliptic nature of the orbit, and the
way the Earth spins , the precession like a spinning top .
It has little effect on the amount of sunlight reaching the Earth
but the distribution of that sunlight , through the year
and where the maximum insolation is, changes as the orbit
changes.
Examples of cold orbit and a warm orbit . A cold orbit is
when there is a small tilt , the north hemisphere is colder .
A warm orbit the northern hemisphere is tilted towards the Sun
i nthe summer. These orbits affect the local temp in the north
hemisphere. In a cold orbit phase you get some ice-growth one
summer , that ice stays , that increases the albedo because it is
reflective, more sunlight is reflected and then on a global
scale via a bunch of feedback effects also causes atmos CO2
to come down. That all leads to more cooloing , more ice
growth, more CO2 stored in the ocean, more cooloing and so on.
When we have a warm orbit, the ice retreats, decreases the
albedo, less CO2 stored in oceans, more warming ...
These orbital cycles are quite a small influence on the
earth's radiative budget, but through the bunch of feedbacks they
can cause dramatic climate change. ...
End Quote

On 31/01/2017 14:07, N_Cook wrote:
On 30/01/2017 15:16, N_Cook wrote:
On 29/01/2017 14:39, N_Cook wrote:
Change of title required as global sea-ice extent down to a new record
of 16.414 million sq km on 28 Jan 2017
using Chrctic NSIDC data

retittled for new record
16.331 million on the 29 Jan 2017
Antarctic extent still going down closing in to all-time minimum,
2.635 million for 29 Jan towards 2.290 million of 27 Feb 1997 record
min, likely going under by end of the week.
Global extent normalised anomaly is still negative going at -2.272

New title again
16.277 million sq km for 30 Jan
Extent anomaly (normalised) still -going at -2.314
The "all-time" minimum Antarctic sea-ice looks to be on about 06 Feb
2017, stood at 2.589 m sq km yesterday, 300,000 sq km above that record
as of yesterday


Repeated text, just numbers changed
New title again
16.241 million sq km for 30 Jan
Extent anomaly (normalised) still -going at -2.340
The "all-time" minimum Antarctic sea-ice looks to be on about 07 Feb
2017, stood at 2.546 m sq km yesterday, 256,000 sq km above that 27 Feb
1997 record as of yesterday