I see the front page of the Daily Express, as pictured on the BBC news
web site, suggests that Britain will be in the 'deep freeze' in the
month leading up to crimbo.

Well that month has begun and the forecast for today and the remainder
of this week is temperatures between 5Ëš and 7Ëš, a couple of gales, and
almost ceaseless rain.

They go on to say that temperatures nose-dived at the weekend when in
fact the 'cold spell' ended and it warmed up by four degrees. While
there may have been somehwere in Britain that was as they describe,
that does not mean it happened to the entirety of Britain.

This all begs the question: will the 'month' actually be less than
three weeks or, alternatively, is their forecast of snow ice and
general doom just something they plucked out of the nearest orifice?


--
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On Monday, 27 November 2017 11:51:52 UTC, Asha Santon wrote:
I see the front page of the Daily Express, as pictured on the BBC news
web site, suggests that Britain will be in the 'deep freeze' in the
month leading up to crimbo.

Well that month has begun and the forecast for today and the remainder
of this week is temperatures between 5Ëš and 7Ëš, a couple of gales, and
almost ceaseless rain.

They go on to say that temperatures nose-dived at the weekend when in
fact the 'cold spell' ended and it warmed up by four degrees. While
there may have been somehwere in Britain that was as they describe,
that does not mean it happened to the entirety of Britain.

This all begs the question: will the 'month' actually be less than
three weeks or, alternatively, is their forecast of snow ice and
general doom just something they plucked out of the nearest orifice?


--
Asha
http://minnies.opcop.org.uk/dogs.htm
http://nature.opcop.org.uk
http://pictures.opcop.org.uk

The reason why I never buy a paper nowadays.

Keith (Southend)

On 2017-11-27 13:54:26 +0000, Keith Harris said:

On Monday, 27 November 2017 11:51:52 UTC, Asha Santon wrote:
I see the front page of the Daily Express, as pictured on the BBC news
web site, suggests that Britain will be in the 'deep freeze' in the
month leading up to crimbo.

Well that month has begun and the forecast for today and the remainder
of this week is temperatures between 5Ëš and 7Ëš, a couple of gales, and
almost ceaseless rain.

They go on to say that temperatures nose-dived at the weekend when in
fact the 'cold spell' ended and it warmed up by four degrees. While
there may have been somehwere in Britain that was as they describe,
that does not mean it happened to the entirety of Britain.

This all begs the question: will the 'month' actually be less than
three weeks or, alternatively, is their forecast of snow ice and
general doom just something they plucked out of the nearest orifice?


--
Asha
http://minnies.opcop.org.uk/dogs.htm
http://nature.opcop.org.uk
http://pictures.opcop.org.uk

The reason why I never buy a paper nowadays.

Keith (Southend)


Well said. I don't buy them because none of them report the news, just
their opinions of the news.
Facts are hard to come by, it seems.

--
Asha
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http://nature.opcop.org.uk
http://pictures.opcop.org.uk

In message , Asha Santon
writes
I see the front page of the Daily Express, as pictured on the BBC news
web site, suggests that Britain will be in the 'deep freeze' in the
month leading up to crimbo.

Well that month has begun and the forecast for today and the remainder
of this week is temperatures between 50 almost ceaseless rain.

They go on to say that temperatures nose-dived at the weekend when in
fact the 'cold spell' ended and it warmed up by four degrees. While
there may have been somehwere in Britain that was as they describe,
that does not mean it happened to the entirety of Britain.

This all begs the question: will the 'month' actually be less than
three weeks or, alternatively, is their forecast of snow ice and
general doom just something they plucked out of the nearest orifice?



Of course the Express has massively overhyped it, but the Met Office's
forecast for the next 30 days does suggest that it's going to mostly be
fairly cold, though probably becoming milder again as we head towards
Christmas.
--
John Hall "George the Third
Ought never to have occurred.
One can only wonder
At so grotesque a blunder." E.C.Bentley (1875-1956)

On 2017-11-27 18:26:08 +0000, John Hall said:

In message , Asha Santon
writes
I see the front page of the Daily Express, as pictured on the BBC news
web site, suggests that Britain will be in the 'deep freeze' in the
month leading up to crimbo.

Well that month has begun and the forecast for today and the remainder
of this week is temperatures between 50 almost ceaseless rain.

They go on to say that temperatures nose-dived at the weekend when in
fact the 'cold spell' ended and it warmed up by four degrees. While
there may have been somehwere in Britain that was as they describe,
that does not mean it happened to the entirety of Britain.

This all begs the question: will the 'month' actually be less than
three weeks or, alternatively, is their forecast of snow ice and
general doom just something they plucked out of the nearest orifice?



Of course the Express has massively overhyped it, but the Met Office's
forecast for the next 30 days does suggest that it's going to mostly be
fairly cold, though probably becoming milder again as we head towards
Christmas.

While I have not checked, I suspect the MO also suggested where that
would happen, rather than the totally vague 'Britain' of the DE. Not
here, that's for sure.

--
Asha
http://minnies.opcop.org.uk/dogs.htm
http://nature.opcop.org.uk
http://pictures.opcop.org.uk

In message , Asha Santon
writes
On 2017-11-27 18:26:08 +0000, John Hall said:

In message , Asha Santon
writes
I see the front page of the Daily Express, as pictured on the BBC
news web site, suggests that Britain will be in the 'deep freeze' in
the month leading up to crimbo.
Well that month has begun and the forecast for today and the
remainder of this week is temperatures between 50 almost ceaseless

They go on to say that temperatures nose-dived at the weekend when
in fact the 'cold spell' ended and it warmed up by four degrees.
While there may have been somehwere in Britain that was as they
describe, that does not mean it happened to the entirety of Britain.
This all begs the question: will the 'month' actually be less than
three weeks or, alternatively, is their forecast of snow ice and
general doom just something they plucked out of the nearest orifice?

Of course the Express has massively overhyped it, but the Met
Office's forecast for the next 30 days does suggest that it's going to
mostly be fairly cold, though probably becoming milder again as we
head towards Christmas.

While I have not checked, I suspect the MO also suggested where that
would happen, rather than the totally vague 'Britain' of the DE. Not
here, that's for sure.


I'm not sure why you're so disbelieving of the possibility that it could
be on the cold side in eastern Scotland over the next 30 days. I'm
talking about the Met Office 30-day forecast as of today, though it
hasn't changed very much for a day or two. Here's what it currently
says:

Outlook for the UK over the next 6-30 days [the first 5 days are covered
by regional forecasts]

UK Outlook for Saturday 2 Dec 2017 to Monday 11 Dec 2017:
It is expected to be rather cloudy for most on Saturday, with outbreaks
of rain or drizzle at times. Breezy too, especially around the coasts.
Feeling milder than earlier in the week, with temperatures nearer to
average for the beginning of December. A north to south split is
favoured from Sunday and into early next week. Turning colder once again
across the north of the UK, with frosty weather returning, along with
sunshine and showers, some wintry. However, it may stay slightly less
cold in the south with the risk of some rain here at times. Thereafter,
a cold northerly airstream may become established across all areas, with
widespread night frost and sunshine and showers by day, the showers
wintry even to low levels.

UK Outlook for Tuesday 12 Dec 2017 to Tuesday 26 Dec 2017:
The first few days of this period are most likely to be dominated by a
northerly airstream bringing a mix of sunshine and showers to the
British Isles. The showers are likely to be wintry even to low levels,
with some accumulations on hills, especially in the east and northeast.
Temperatures are set to be rather cold or cold everywhere, with
widespread overnight frosts. However, from around the middle of December
there is an increasing chance of periods of mobility developing, with an
associated increase in rainfall (especially across some western areas).
This would encourage temperatures to recover closer to average.
--
John Hall "George the Third
Ought never to have occurred.
One can only wonder
At so grotesque a blunder." E.C.Bentley (1875-1956)

On 2017-11-27 20:26:45 +0000, John Hall said:

In message , Asha Santon
writes
On 2017-11-27 18:26:08 +0000, John Hall said:

In message , Asha Santon
writes
I see the front page of the Daily Express, as pictured on the BBC news
web site, suggests that Britain will be in the 'deep freeze' in the
month leading up to crimbo.
Well that month has begun and the forecast for today and the remainder
of this week is temperatures between 50 almost ceaseless
They go on to say that temperatures nose-dived at the weekend when in
fact the 'cold spell' ended and it warmed up by four degrees. While
there may have been somehwere in Britain that was as they describe,
that does not mean it happened to the entirety of Britain.
This all begs the question: will the 'month' actually be less than
three weeks or, alternatively, is their forecast of snow ice and
general doom just something they plucked out of the nearest orifice?

Of course the Express has massively overhyped it, but the Met Office's
forecast for the next 30 days does suggest that it's going to mostly be
fairly cold, though probably becoming milder again as we head towards
Christmas.

While I have not checked, I suspect the MO also suggested where that
would happen, rather than the totally vague 'Britain' of the DE. Not
here, that's for sure.


I'm not sure why you're so disbelieving of the possibility that it
could be on the cold side in eastern Scotland over the next 30 days.
I'm talking about the Met Office 30-day forecast as of today, though it
hasn't changed very much for a day or two. Here's what it currently
says:

Outlook for the UK over the next 6-30 days [the first 5 days are
covered by regional forecasts]

UK Outlook for Saturday 2 Dec 2017 to Monday 11 Dec 2017:
It is expected to be rather cloudy for most on Saturday, with outbreaks
of rain or drizzle at times. Breezy too, especially around the coasts.
Feeling milder than earlier in the week, with temperatures nearer to
average for the beginning of December. A north to south split is
favoured from Sunday and into early next week. Turning colder once
again across the north of the UK, with frosty weather returning, along
with sunshine and showers, some wintry. However, it may stay slightly
less cold in the south with the risk of some rain here at times.
Thereafter, a cold northerly airstream may become established across
all areas, with widespread night frost and sunshine and showers by day,
the showers wintry even to low levels.

UK Outlook for Tuesday 12 Dec 2017 to Tuesday 26 Dec 2017:
The first few days of this period are most likely to be dominated by a
northerly airstream bringing a mix of sunshine and showers to the
British Isles. The showers are likely to be wintry even to low levels,
with some accumulations on hills, especially in the east and northeast.
Temperatures are set to be rather cold or cold everywhere, with
widespread overnight frosts. However, from around the middle of
December there is an increasing chance of periods of mobility
developing, with an associated increase in rainfall (especially across
some western areas). This would encourage temperatures to recover
closer to average.

Why thank you - that forecast is, as I suggested, absolutely nothing
like the article in the DE.
The papers page on the BBC site seems to have been taken down, perhaps
in preparation for tomorrow's papers, but I have found this on the DE
site:

https://www.express.co.uk/news/weath...iceland-latest


In that, a MO spokesman apparently says this "Spokesman Grahame Madge
said: “A mixture of Polar and Arctic air will come down from the south
from Tuesday bringing increasingly colder conditions to the UK.:

Come down from the south? Not sure that is possible as most arctic air
comes down from the north ... but what do I know.

The MO forecast for this area on Tuesday is in fact that temperatures
will rise to 8Ëš which is quite warm given that it only managed 2Ëš a few
days ago.

The map on the above page clearly shows that the coast generally will
be rather warm although the area around the DE's offices looks like it
may be a bit chilly.

Thank you for illustrating my point for me. I am most grateful.

--
Asha

http://minnies.opcop.org.uk/negotiation.htm
Minnies, minnies, everywhere

On Monday, 27 November 2017 21:33:01 UTC, Asha Santon wrote:
On 2017-11-27 20:26:45 +0000, John Hall said:


Why thank you - that forecast is, as I suggested, absolutely nothing
like the article in the DE.
The papers page on the BBC site seems to have been taken down, perhaps
in preparation for tomorrow's papers, but I have found this on the DE
site:

https://www.express.co.uk/news/weath...iceland-latest


In that, a MO spokesman apparently says this "Spokesman Grahame Madge
said: “A mixture of Polar and Arctic air will come down from the south
from Tuesday bringing increasingly colder conditions to the UK.:

Come down from the south? Not sure that is possible as most arctic air
comes down from the north ... but what do I know.

The MO forecast for this area on Tuesday is in fact that temperatures
will rise to 8Ëš which is quite warm given that it only managed 2Ëš a few
days ago.

The map on the above page clearly shows that the coast generally will
be rather warm although the area around the DE's offices looks like it
may be a bit chilly.

Thank you for illustrating my point for me. I am most grateful.

--
Asha

http://minnies.opcop.org.uk/negotiation.htm
Minnies, minnies, everywhere

Can I just add that the DE headline articles are generally written by Nathan Rao and his principal source is one James Madden of Exactaweather.

The articles/headlines are repeated each and every year almost verbatim. Sensationalist journalism gone mad.

Mr. Rao has been called out on it numerous times by Liam Dutton, meteorologist, for one. He never responds to a challenge to his failed articles.

Mr. Madden is sadly mistaken in thinking he can forecast weather at months' and years' distances. We are told the summers will be the hottest, the winters the coldest since [xxxx]...insert 1947, 1963,1976, 1995, 2009, 2010, etc.

No science and constant berating by Madden of the UK Met Office.

A search of Rao's DE winter headlines will throw up numerous such utterances over the years. Quite funny actually..

I suggest ignoring anything written by him and avoid visiting Madden's website, EVER! He even charges for his forecasts and I genuinely can't recall when he's had an accurate, or close to accurate, forecast..

There. Rant over...

Outlook for the UK over the next 6-30 days [the first 5 days are covered by
regional forecasts]

UK Outlook for Saturday 2 Dec 2017 to Monday 11 Dec 2017:
It is expected to be rather cloudy for most on Saturday, with outbreaks of
rain or drizzle at times. Breezy too, especially around the coasts. Feeling
milder than earlier in the week, with temperatures nearer to average for
the beginning of December. A north to south split is favoured from Sunday
and into early next week. Turning colder once again across the north of the
UK, with frosty weather returning, along with sunshine and showers, some
wintry. However, it may stay slightly less cold in the south with the risk
of some rain here at times. Thereafter, a cold northerly airstream may
become established across all areas, with widespread night frost and
sunshine and showers by day, the showers wintry even to low levels.

Think that's changed a bit now John, looking milder for much of next week at
least away from the far north


Graham