On 10/05/2018 21:17, N_Cook wrote:
On 10/05/2018 14:49, John Dann wrote:
FWIW 2018 seems to be tracking 2016 quite closely ATM, though not quite
as low as 2016.


As for global sea-ice , summation on the day, seems like 1979 was
similar low slope, poor ice increase over the month of April compared to
2018, going by the arctischepinguin plots

reading the wrong column in the legend, year 1990 not 1979

For the 11 May 2018, 183,000 sq km less than 2017 for the summed global
sea-ice on-the-day.

I can now access Charctic. For anyone else in the same boat, I open a
NOAA compatible browser off a thumstick, without messing up my normal
chosen browser.

On 12/05/2018 17:47, N_Cook wrote:
For the 11 May 2018, 183,000 sq km less than 2017 for the summed global
sea-ice on-the-day.

I can now access Charctic. For anyone else in the same boat, I open a
NOAA compatible browser off a thumstick, without messing up my normal
chosen browser.

For the 12 May 2018/2017 comparison 188,000 sq km.
Looks a lot worse on
https://sites.google.com/site/arctis...t_byyear_b.png
perhaps an error somewhere

For the 12 May 2018/2017 comparison 188,000 sq km.
Looks a lot worse on
https://sites.google.com/site/arctis...t_byyear_b.png

perhaps an error somewhere

For 15 April, same 188,000 less than 2017 ,same day, global sea-ice. Now
what will next week show,the 2017 daily rate of sea-ice accumulation
took an upswing, so next week continuation of same rate of the last
month or so, then a markedly worse situation this time next week.

Global sea-ice new on-the-day record for 16 April, 296,000 sq km less
than previous record on-the-day 12017.
Back to the depletion figure wrt 2017 (and so all previous years) for
the all time , any day of the year, record low of global sea-ice in Feb
this year

On 17/05/2018 14:51, N_Cook wrote:
Global sea-ice new on-the-day record for 16 April, 296,000 sq km less
than previous record on-the-day 12017.
Back to the depletion figure wrt 2017 (and so all previous years) for
the all time , any day of the year, record low of global sea-ice in Feb
this year


Racing away negatively
https://sites.google.com/site/arctis...t_byyear_b.png
record on-the-day lack of global sea-ice wrt 2017 , from Charctic now
315,000 sq km deficit.
No sign of the recent noticably slower than 2017 uptake of sea-ice
wanting to speed up.

What I'm watching is whether the 2018 Arctic is going to break below the
2016 line on Charctic in the next few weeks - it's still significantly
above at present. It's just curiosity of course - far too much weather
to come between now and September for anything else.

Will continue to watch the arctic ice over the next week or two.
Currently 2nd lowest on record but still 3% or so more ice than 2016 -
but mid-June is when 2016 tailed off. Nothing more than a pastime at
this time of year of course, but let's see what happens.

On 07/06/2018 16:17, JGD wrote:
Will continue to watch the arctic ice over the next week or two.
Currently 2nd lowest on record but still 3% or so more ice than 2016 -
but mid-June is when 2016 tailed off. Nothing more than a pastime at
this time of year of course, but let's see what happens.

For the day-of-year global sea-ice situation.
https://sites.google.com/site/arctis...t_byyear_b.png
There seems a slight difference between this graphical representation
and Charctic numbers, both in terms of extent.
But for 06 June of any year of the satellite record,
previous minimum (Arctic + Antarctic) was 22.763 *10^6 km^2
for 2017.
Near enough the same 2018 at 22.766, will " tomorrow " be going into the
record-breaking territory again?

On Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 6:42:40 PM UTC+1, N_Cook wrote:
On 07/06/2018 16:17, JGD wrote:
Will continue to watch the arctic ice over the next week or two.
Currently 2nd lowest on record but still 3% or so more ice than 2016 -
but mid-June is when 2016 tailed off. Nothing more than a pastime at
this time of year of course, but let's see what happens.

For the day-of-year global sea-ice situation.
https://sites.google.com/site/arctis...t_byyear_b.png
There seems a slight difference between this graphical representation
and Charctic numbers, both in terms of extent.
But for 06 June of any year of the satellite record,
previous minimum (Arctic + Antarctic) was 22.763 *10^6 km^2
for 2017.
Near enough the same 2018 at 22.766, will " tomorrow " be going into the
record-breaking territory again?

I think the obsession with a date records being broken risks not being able to see the wood for the trees.

It's best to step back sometimes. We are changing the climate, in unpredictable ways. The scientists were quick to explain the (temporary) increase in Antarctic sea ice in great detail after the event. Not many managed it before.

Likewise global warming may turn off the NAD, or then again. The important thing is to minimise our impact on the planet - then hopefully avoid a worst case scenario. Though clearly we've already committed ourslelves to decades of change.

Also, the current obsession is with CO2, whilst equitorial forest destruction, the great CO2 sink, carries on at the same old rate, until the forests run out.

Also, how much of this https://amp.businessinsider.com/imag...00-750-562.jpg before something serious is done?

Sorry about the 'Greenpeace' bit, but so many posts seem to almost gleefully report a new ice minimum, or record warmth, which are in any case symptoms of the disease.

Graham
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