I have noted over the past 40 years that most blocked Octobers are
followed by mild winters. There are a few, but not many, exceptions.
Yuk
Cheers
Paul
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I have noted over the past 40 years that most blocked Octobers are
followed by mild winters. There are a few, but not many, exceptions.
Yuk
Cheers
Paul


Down in the good old SE corner, to all intents and purposes, we have had
easterly/southerly winds since january at a push though March to a greater
degree which is something I cannot ever recall happening - what would be a
real downer was for this to change to a westerly flow now that winter is
approaching..........

-- Chris

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I have noted over the past 40 years that most blocked Octobers are
followed by mild winters. There are a few, but not many, exceptions.

Let's hope this winter's a 1995/96 rather than a 1947/48 then!

Victor

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"Paul Bartlett" wrote in message
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I have noted over the past 40 years that most blocked Octobers are
followed by mild winters. There are a few, but not many, exceptions.

Let's hope this winter's a 1995/96 rather than a 1947/48 then!

In the SE, as far as I can remember there was one cold snap of a couple
of weeks in late January, but little snow. (In Scotland, it was much
more notable.) Although 1947-8 was mild overall, I believe that there
was one shortish quite snowy spell. So for snow lovers in the south, the
choice may not be so clear cut.

Of course, if you want to be really ambitious, you'll wish that it'll be
a 1962-3.
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John Hall
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But you *need* an orgy, once in a while."
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But Paul the climate is (has ?) changed !
So old relationships may not necessarily hold in the 21st Century.
We have to start afresh in some respects, new ideas, fresh blood, new challenges
etc. Fortunately the laws of physics haven't changed.

I confess I haven't a bloomin clue about the coming winter, and if the truth
were told neither has anyone else !

Will.
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Paul Bartlett wrote in message ...

I have noted over the past 40 years that most blocked Octobers are
followed by mild winters. There are a few, but not many, exceptions.
Yuk
Cheers
Paul
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I confess I haven't a bloomin clue about the coming winter, and if the
truth
were told neither has anyone else !

Will, is that because you never have even a vague idea of what winters might
possibly bring or is that because you don't have a clue about this
particular winter?

Victor

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This winter. How do you start to forecast with extremely unusual global
circulations breaking out ? It could be a normal winter, it could be record
breaking warmth or another 62/63, in my view all of those are up for grabs. Take
your pick, you've probably got more chance of winning the lottery :-)

Will.
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I confess I haven't a bloomin clue about the coming winter, and if the
truth
were told neither has anyone else !

Will, is that because you never have even a vague idea of what winters might
possibly bring or is that because you don't have a clue about this
particular winter?

Victor

Right, I'm buying a ticket tomorrow :-)

Keith (Southend)

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This winter. How do you start to forecast with extremely unusual global
circulations breaking out ? It could be a normal winter, it could be record
breaking warmth or another 62/63, in my view all of those are up for grabs. Take
your pick, you've probably got more chance of winning the lottery :-)

Will.

On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 22:11:23 +0100, "Will"
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This winter. How do you start to forecast with extremely unusual global
circulations breaking out ? It could be a normal winter, it could be record
breaking warmth or another 62/63,

Paul said "over the last 40 years". This excludes October 1962... and
that was blocked until the last week

in my view all of those are up for grabs.

The times they are a changin' ...

--
Dave

Hi Paul

I disagree with this, if anything blocked Octobers can produce the
harshest winters.

October 1946 was very dry and was followed a severe winter with a very
severe snowy February.

October 1947 was also very dry but was followed by a mild winter with
brief cold very snowy spell at the end.

October 1950 was also very dry and produced a cold winter with a very
cold and very snowy December producing the goods(CET 1.2c). Jan and
Feb were near average and wet.

October 1951 was blocked and was followed by a rather cold winter with
a rather cold Jan and a rather cold Feb(CET's of 2.7 and 3.4c) with
some snow around, especially in the North.

October 1955 was blocked but was followed by the cold winter of
1955/56. Although that winter started mild, it ended with a severe
cold February with a CET of -0.2c!

October 1953 was a dry one and was followed by the average winter of
1953/54. Although December was very mild, Jan and Feb were on the cold
side with CET's below 3c.

October 1956 was blocked but was followed by the boring mild winter of
1956/57 with no real cold spells to note.

October 1962 was very dry and was followed up by the coldest winter of
the 20th century!

October 1965 was dry and was followed the rather mild winter of
1965/1966. However November 65 produced some early cold snowy spells
and the winter itself had a severe spell during January.

October 1969 was exceptionally dry and produced a consistantly cold
and snowy winter with parts of the N Midlands northwards producing
bucketloads of snow and this continued right through to May!

October 1972 was blocked and produced the rather mild and uneventful
winter of 1972/73.

October 1977 was blocked and produced an interesting winter in
1977/78. December was very mild, January average but with some snow
around and a cold February with some severe blizzards, particularly
southern and western areas.

October 1978 was blocked and produced a very cold to severe winter in
1978/79 with some places having continued lying snow through January
and February.

I don't think any Octobers in the 1980's had rainfall below 60% and 2
occured in the 1990's which I think was 1993/94 and 1995/96. The
winter of 1993/94 was mild up to February, then it turned cold with
some snow. The winter of 1995/96 was a decent winter on the whole with
a cold December and February with the last week of Jan also seeing
significant snowfall in places. Most Octobers since have had well
above average rainfall..

So overall, I have to say that this October is a refreshing change
from the very wet ones seen below and if most of the above winters are
anything to go by, there should be a good chance of some interest. Of
course though this only one very small part of the jigsaw and there
are many other things needed to take into account. The weather
patterns seen during the past 12 months or so are different to
anything thats ever happened during the last century making this
winter an exciting but difficult one to forecast.


Best Regards

Tom