"Bernard Burton" Wrote in message:r
This msg4 image of Brazil shows a multitude of fire sources (black dots) as the lungs of the world are being destroyed, and vast quantities of CO2 are being released. This is going on daily all year round.http://www.woksat.info/etcaci13/acl1...-brazil.html-- Bernard BurtonWeather data and satellite images at:www.woksat.info/wwp.html

The West is complicit, including ourselves. The democratically
elected Lulu Government was doomed from the start when it started
introducing socialist and environmental legislation to protect
the rainforest and its peoples. In South America you cannot do
such things otherwise The West will bring you down and put their
own capatilist, West friendly government in power. Balsanaro is a
stooge put up by the West so we can continue to exploit the
resources of the country. Maduro in Venezuela is under threat
because he builds schools and hospitals instead of giving the oil
proceeds to the US corporates. This has been going on for decades
but we believe the propaganda dished out by our own governments
that the likes of Lulu and Maduro are somehow corrupt or
dictators when in reality it is the West's stooges like Guardo
and Balsanaro that are the dictators.

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Otter Valley, Devon
20 m amsl
http://www.ottervalleyweather.me.uk

On Monday, 14 September 2020 at 11:28:45 UTC+1, Spike wrote:
On 14/09/2020 08:28, Graham Easterling wrote:

it's been allowed to continue. It was always going to be difficult to get Countries to reduce carbon emissions. The economic crash of 2008 made an attempt but of course, governments were having none of that. Important steps were taken to boost car production & get CO2 emissions back on track.
In a recent BBC R4 news programme, it was claimed that CO2 levels are
higher now than than at any time in the last 3 million years. What was
not said was that the planet has for a significant part of that time
span swung in cycles of 100,000 years from being an ice-ball for 80,000
years and a desert for 20,000 years. At the present time we are about
half-way through a warm part of the cycle. So why is there all this
concern about CO2?

Nonsense! We have been cooling for the last 6000 years. We were heading for a new glacial period, but now we are heading for the climate of the Pliocene when sea levels were 25 m higher and CO2 was at 400 ppm. If CO2 continues to increase at the current rate of 3 ppm per year, then by 2100 CO2 will be at about 600 ppm and all the ice sheets will have gone leading to a sea level rise of 65 m, with a climate to match.
How much of London, Portsmouth, Southampton, Plymouth, Bristol, Cardiff, Swansea, Liverpool, Glasgow, Aberdeen, Dundee, Newcastle, Hull, or Cambridge at 5 m asl will be left after that?

Some people must be confusing the resilience of Earth (the planet) with that of the life that it currently sustains.

The as-ever thought-provoking Channel 4 News this evening had a comprehensive and detailed report on the current environmental / climatic disasters...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k78KGph8SOE

Julian

On Monday, 14 September 2020 at 20:21:09 UTC+1, Julian Mayes wrote:
Some people must be confusing the resilience of Earth (the planet) with that of the life that it currently sustains.

The as-ever thought-provoking Channel 4 News this evening had a comprehensive and detailed report on the current environmental / climatic disasters...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k78KGph8SOE

The BBC also had a program about biodiversity last night:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episod...tion-the-facts

Sky news also discussed record fires in Brazil this evening at 10 pm.

It seems to me that this wave of publicity will not be passing phase. Catastrophic climate change has begun.

On 14/09/2020 16:21, Alastair B. McDonald wrote:
On Monday, 14 September 2020 at 11:28:45 UTC+1, Spike wrote:
On 14/09/2020 08:28, Graham Easterling wrote:

it's been allowed to continue. It was always going to be difficult to get Countries to reduce carbon emissions. The economic crash of 2008 made an attempt but of course, governments were having none of that. Important steps were taken to boost car production & get CO2 emissions back on track.

In a recent BBC R4 news programme, it was claimed that CO2 levels are
higher now than than at any time in the last 3 million years. What was
not said was that the planet has for a significant part of that time
span swung in cycles of 100,000 years from being an ice-ball for 80,000
years and a desert for 20,000 years. At the present time we are about
half-way through a warm part of the cycle. So why is there all this
concern about CO2?

Nonsense! We have been cooling for the last 6000 years. We were heading for a new glacial period, but now we are heading for the climate of the Pliocene when sea levels were 25 m higher and CO2 was at 400 ppm.

Just can't trust the BBC....

If CO2 continues to increase at the current rate of 3 ppm per year, then by 2100 CO2 will be at about 600 ppm and all the ice sheets will have gone leading to a sea level rise of 65 m, with a climate to match.
How much of London, Portsmouth, Southampton, Plymouth, Bristol, Cardiff, Swansea, Liverpool, Glasgow, Aberdeen, Dundee, Newcastle, Hull, or Cambridge at 5 m asl will be left after that?

When the temperature falls, there is little help from CO2 levels
remaining high, so what do you propose as the mechanism for your claimed
halt of the temperature drop that you mentioned?

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Spike

On Tuesday, 15 September 2020 at 10:04:51 UTC+1, Spike wrote:
On 14/09/2020 16:21, Alastair B. McDonald wrote:
On Monday, 14 September 2020 at 11:28:45 UTC+1, Spike wrote:
On 14/09/2020 08:28, Graham Easterling wrote:

it's been allowed to continue. It was always going to be difficult to get Countries to reduce carbon emissions. The economic crash of 2008 made an attempt but of course, governments were having none of that. Important steps were taken to boost car production & get CO2 emissions back on track.

In a recent BBC R4 news programme, it was claimed that CO2 levels are
higher now than than at any time in the last 3 million years. What was
not said was that the planet has for a significant part of that time
span swung in cycles of 100,000 years from being an ice-ball for 80,000
years and a desert for 20,000 years. At the present time we are about
half-way through a warm part of the cycle. So why is there all this
concern about CO2?

Nonsense! We have been cooling for the last 6000 years. We were heading for a new glacial period, but now we are heading for the climate of the Pliocene when sea levels were 25 m higher and CO2 was at 400 ppm.
Just can't trust the BBC....
If CO2 continues to increase at the current rate of 3 ppm per year, then by 2100 CO2 will be at about 600 ppm and all the ice sheets will have gone leading to a sea level rise of 65 m, with a climate to match.
How much of London, Portsmouth, Southampton, Plymouth, Bristol, Cardiff, Swansea, Liverpool, Glasgow, Aberdeen, Dundee, Newcastle, Hull, or Cambridge at 5 m asl will be left after that?
When the temperature falls, there is little help from CO2 levels
remaining high, so what do you propose as the mechanism for your claimed
halt of the temperature drop that you mentioned?

My science does not come from the BBC. It comes from the scientific literature, e.g. https://science.sciencemag.org/conte.../6124/1198.ppt Which blog do you get yours from?

More nonsense. When the temperature drops water vapour decreases and CO2 becomes the main greenhouse gas.

Spike Wrote in message:r
On 14/09/2020 16:21, Alastair B. McDonald wrote: On Monday, 14 September 2020 at 11:28:45 UTC+1, Spike wrote: On 14/09/2020 08:28, Graham Easterling wrote: it's been allowed to continue. It was always going to be difficult to get Countries to reduce carbon emissions. The economic crash of 2008 made an attempt but of course, governments were having none of that. Important steps were taken to boost car production & get CO2 emissions back on track. In a recent BBC R4 news programme, it was claimed that CO2 levels are higher now than than at any time in the last 3 million years. What was not said was that the planet has for a significant part of that time span swung in cycles of 100,000 years from being an ice-ball for 80,000 years and a desert for 20,000 years. At the present time we are about half-way through a warm part of the cycle. So why is there all this concern about CO2? Nonsense! We have been cooling for the last 6000 years. We were heading for a new glacial period, but now we are heading for the climate of the Pliocene when sea levels were 25 m higher and CO2 was at 400 ppm.Just can't trust the BBC.... If CO2 continues to increase at the current rate of 3 ppm per year, then by 2100 CO2 will be at about 600 ppm and all the ice sheets will have gone leading to a sea level rise of 65 m, with a climate to match. How much of London, Portsmouth, Southampton, Plymouth, Bristol, Cardiff, Swansea, Liverpool, Glasgow, Aberdeen, Dundee, Newcastle, Hull, or Cambridge at 5 m asl will be left after that?When the temperature falls, there is little help from CO2 levelsremaining high, so what do you propose as the mechanism for your claimedhalt of the temperature drop that you mentioned?-- Spike

Spikey

Does CO2 absorb in the infrared? If so, how much?

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Otter Valley, Devon
20 m amsl
http://www.ottervalleyweather.me.uk

On 15/09/2020 09:18, Nick Gardner wrote:

Spikey

Does CO2 absorb in the infrared? If so, how much?

Which infra-red? There's a whole spectrum of it out there.....

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Spike

On 15/09/2020 10:27, Alastair B. McDonald wrote:
On Tuesday, 15 September 2020 at 10:04:51 UTC+1, Spike wrote:
On 14/09/2020 16:21, Alastair B. McDonald wrote:
On Monday, 14 September 2020 at 11:28:45 UTC+1, Spike wrote:
On 14/09/2020 08:28, Graham Easterling wrote:

it's been allowed to continue. It was always going to be difficult to get Countries to reduce carbon emissions. The economic crash of 2008 made an attempt but of course, governments were having none of that. Important steps were taken to boost car production & get CO2 emissions back on track.

In a recent BBC R4 news programme, it was claimed that CO2 levels are
higher now than than at any time in the last 3 million years. What was
not said was that the planet has for a significant part of that time
span swung in cycles of 100,000 years from being an ice-ball for 80,000
years and a desert for 20,000 years. At the present time we are about
half-way through a warm part of the cycle. So why is there all this
concern about CO2?

Nonsense! We have been cooling for the last 6000 years. We were heading for a new glacial period, but now we are heading for the climate of the Pliocene when sea levels were 25 m higher and CO2 was at 400 ppm.

Just can't trust the BBC....

If CO2 continues to increase at the current rate of 3 ppm per year, then by 2100 CO2 will be at about 600 ppm and all the ice sheets will have gone leading to a sea level rise of 65 m, with a climate to match.
How much of London, Portsmouth, Southampton, Plymouth, Bristol, Cardiff, Swansea, Liverpool, Glasgow, Aberdeen, Dundee, Newcastle, Hull, or Cambridge at 5 m asl will be left after that?

When the temperature falls, there is little help from CO2 levels
remaining high, so what do you propose as the mechanism for your claimed
halt of the temperature drop that you mentioned?

My science does not come from the BBC.

I merely quoted what the BBC said, and asked a question based on what
they didn't say in their news item.

It comes from the scientific literature, e.g. https://science.sciencemag.org/conte.../6124/1198.ppt Which blog do you get yours from?

"Access Denied. You are not authorized (sic) to access this page"

More nonsense. When the temperature drops water vapour decreases and CO2 becomes the main greenhouse gas.

So we should be worried about water vapour rather than CO2. At what
level of water vapour does the crossover take place? How does that
relate to temperature?

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Spike

On 15 Sep 2020 10:52, Spike wrote:
On 15/09/2020 09:18, Nick Gardner wrote:

Spikey

Does CO2 absorb in the infrared? If so, how much?

Which infra-red? There's a whole spectrum of it out there.....

From one scientist to another, answer the question. There's only 1
infra red spectrum. How much does CO2 absorb in the infra red. Do I
need to ask again?

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Otter Valley, Devon
20 m amsl
http://www.ottervalleyweather.me.uk