Could someone please explain to me why we are breaking records this
November?? surely we have had strong southerlies in Nov from the exact same
location as they are blowing from now? so can anybody just explain why its
proving to be warmer this year than in any past events

Thanks in advance for any replies.

Dave Jordan.

Dave.
I feel that we are more concious about global warming than the experts
think. There is no doubt in my mind that things are warming to a greater
extent than the so called experts predicted. However we must not be fooled
into thinking this is how things will always be, as any cold spell will
feel to be exceptionally cold, and warmer spells will feel warmer.
About a month ago I was in Crete, and to me it was swelteringly hot, but to
the locals it was cool to the extreme.
Also I believe that the SSTs have a lot of influence over our climate and as
we all know they are above average this year, especially around our southern
and western coasts, so this could account for some of the records being
broken.
However it is November and whatever the temperature it is still autumn and
it still gets darker earlier every day and taking that into account nothing
has really changed. Enjoy while it lasts.
Very best regards.

Len.
"david jordan" wrote in message
...
Could someone please explain to me why we are breaking records this
November?? surely we have had strong southerlies in Nov from the exact
same
location as they are blowing from now? so can anybody just explain why its
proving to be warmer this year than in any past events

Thanks in advance for any replies.

Dave Jordan.

"david jordan" wrote in message
...
Could someone please explain to me why we are breaking records this
November?? surely we have had strong southerlies in Nov from the exact
same
location as they are blowing from now? so can anybody just explain why its
proving to be warmer this year than in any past events

But we're not. Not if you take a long view. Sure, some short period
records have gone, but that's bound to happen on a regular basis.

Yesterday's highest in the UK to hand was 18.8ºC at Northolt.
In the last 100 years 18ºC has been reached in 49 Novembers
somewhere in the UK, 19ºC in 19 Novembers, and 20ºC in
four, and 21ºC in two.

Even the heavily quoted Heathrow record yesterday was not
really unusual ... 18.4ºC beat the record of 18.3ºC set in
Nov.1984, there was an 18.2ºC in 1994, and 18.1ºC in 1996 and
an 18.0ºC in 1982. And the London Weather Centre had 19.2ºC
on 3rd November 1994.

Philip Eden

On Fri, 7 Nov 2003 12:26:53 -0000, "Philip Eden" philipATweatherHYPHENukDOTcom
wrote:


"david jordan" wrote in message
...
Could someone please explain to me why we are breaking records this
November?? surely we have had strong southerlies in Nov from the exact
same
location as they are blowing from now? so can anybody just explain why its
proving to be warmer this year than in any past events

But we're not. Not if you take a long view. Sure, some short period
records have gone, but that's bound to happen on a regular basis.

Yesterday's highest in the UK to hand was 18.8ºC at Northolt.
In the last 100 years 18ºC has been reached in 49 Novembers
somewhere in the UK, 19ºC in 19 Novembers, and 20ºC in
four, and 21ºC in two.

Even the heavily quoted Heathrow record yesterday was not
really unusual ... 18.4ºC beat the record of 18.3ºC set in
Nov.1984, there was an 18.2ºC in 1994, and 18.1ºC in 1996 and
an 18.0ºC in 1982. And the London Weather Centre had 19.2ºC
on 3rd November 1994.

There is a fairly obvious journalistic "spin" put on weather records as they
help to fill column inches when journos run out of Royal Family/sport type
stories.

Thank goodness we haven't yet picked up on the slightly ludicrous American habit
of having records for a specific date.

JPG




Philip Eden

"JPG" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 7 Nov 2003 12:26:53 -0000, "Philip Eden"
philipATweatherHYPHENukDOTcom
wrote:


Yesterday's highest in the UK to hand was 18.8ºC at Northolt.
In the last 100 years 18ºC has been reached in 49 Novembers
somewhere in the UK, 19ºC in 19 Novembers, and 20ºC in
four, and 21ºC in two.

Even the heavily quoted Heathrow record yesterday was not
really unusual ... 18.4ºC beat the record of 18.3ºC set in
Nov.1984, there was an 18.2ºC in 1994, and 18.1ºC in 1996 and
an 18.0ºC in 1982. And the London Weather Centre had 19.2ºC
on 3rd November 1994.

There is a fairly obvious journalistic "spin" put on weather records as
they
help to fill column inches when journos run out of Royal Family/sport type
stories.

Thank goodness we haven't yet picked up on the slightly ludicrous American
habit
of having records for a specific date.

Oh, J.Peasemold, you must have known as you pressed the "send" key ...

From Whitaker's Almanack 2003, page 1254:
"At Colwyn Bay and Hawarden the maximum temperature of 16.9ºC
on the 30th [Nov 2001] broke the record for the last day of the month."

Source of data: UKMO

Philip Eden
(Very occasionally guilty of the offence too)

Thank goodness we haven't yet picked up on the slightly ludicrous American
habit
of having records for a specific date.

JPG



You mean these
http://www.torro.org.uk/severeweathe...htempsyear.htm ?

(a bit out of date mind)

On Fri, 7 Nov 2003 13:16:15 -0000, "Philip Eden" philipATweatherHYPHENukDOTcom
wrote:


"JPG" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 7 Nov 2003 12:26:53 -0000, "Philip Eden"
philipATweatherHYPHENukDOTcom
wrote:


Yesterday's highest in the UK to hand was 18.8ºC at Northolt.
In the last 100 years 18ºC has been reached in 49 Novembers
somewhere in the UK, 19ºC in 19 Novembers, and 20ºC in
four, and 21ºC in two.

Even the heavily quoted Heathrow record yesterday was not
really unusual ... 18.4ºC beat the record of 18.3ºC set in
Nov.1984, there was an 18.2ºC in 1994, and 18.1ºC in 1996 and
an 18.0ºC in 1982. And the London Weather Centre had 19.2ºC
on 3rd November 1994.

There is a fairly obvious journalistic "spin" put on weather records as
they
help to fill column inches when journos run out of Royal Family/sport type
stories.

Thank goodness we haven't yet picked up on the slightly ludicrous American
habit
of having records for a specific date.

Oh, J.Peasemold, you must have known as you pressed the "send" key ...

From Whitaker's Almanack 2003, page 1254:
"At Colwyn Bay and Hawarden the maximum temperature of 16.9ºC
on the 30th [Nov 2001] broke the record for the last day of the month."

Source of data: UKMO

I stand corrected. I must say I have not been a great almanac reader (except
Wisden's) since my grandmother used to leave "Old Moore's" lying around with all
its astrological weather forecasts.

JPG




Philip Eden
(Very occasionally guilty of the offence too)

In uk.sci.weather on Fri, 7 Nov 2003 at 12:42:50, JPG wrote :

Thank goodness we haven't yet picked up on the slightly ludicrous American habit
of having records for a specific date.

That's a pity then - that's something I have Excel do for my own
records!
--
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham

Email to pahyett[AT]activist[DOT]demon[DOT]co[DOT]uk

"Joe" wrote in message
...

You mean these
http://www.torro.org.uk/severeweathe...htempsyear.htm ?

(a bit out of date mind)

Very interesting, I've never seen anything like that before.
I'm surprised at the variation in the temps from day to day though,
given the length of the record.

Looks like the coldest day, statistically is Jan 25th.

Only a few months out of date though, there are entries for Jan 2003.
However there are a few somewhat notable entries missing from
August though

Col
--
Bolton, Lancashire.
160m asl.
http://www.reddwarfer.btinternet.co.uk

"david jordan" wrote in
:

Could someone please explain to me why we are breaking records this
November?? surely we have had strong southerlies in Nov from the exact
same location as they are blowing from now? so can anybody just explain
why its proving to be warmer this year than in any past events

Interesting to see all these local warmest November records going in the UK
- only 2 weeks ago (if I recall correctly from what was posted on the
newsgroup) Munich had its coldest October night (or was it day?). Global
warming or global cooling?!

Cheers
Richard