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Hi, everyone,
Sunny skies, light winds and a screen high of 14.2C on the AWS. I'll confirm the high at the 1800Z ob. on the official thermometers. The low this morning was 2.0C with -3.0C on the grass. Previous high in December in Copley (253metres) was 12.6C in 1998. December screen high at my previous MO station in Low Etherley (158metres) was 14.0C with records back to 1970. Clearly an exceptional day in NE England and one for the GW brigade. ATB, -- Ken Cook, Copley (5miles north of Barnard Castle), County Durham. 830ft http://mysite.freeserve.com/copley (MO climat. site updated before 10Z and 19Z daily) kencookATcopleydurham.freeserve.co.uk --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.547 / Virus Database: 340 - Release Date: 02/12/03 |
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On Fri, 5 Dec 2003 14:28:07 -0000, Ken Cook wrote:
Sunny skies, light winds and a screen high of 14.2C on the AWS. Max of 12.1C up here and a lovely day as well. Hefty inversion first thing. Reasonable ground frost down in Alston and decidely nippy in the air, no ground frost with us and about 6C. Looked at Great Dunn Fell and that was showing 12C! -- Cheers Dave. Nr Garrigill, Cumbria. 421m ASL. pam is missing e-mail |
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"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message Max of 12.1C
up here and a lovely day as well. Hefty inversion first thing. Reasonable ground frost down in Alston and decidely nippy in the air, no ground frost with us and about 6C. Looked at Great Dunn Fell and that was showing 12C! Hi, Dave, I noticed that one also. "Official" max was 14.3C here, a new December record for me. I see Leeming was just 8C max. These inversion days are wonderful, aren't they - it was definitely warm enough for shorts this afternoon! ATB, -- Ken http://mysite.freeserve.com/copley kencookATcopleydurham.freeserve.co.uk --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.547 / Virus Database: 340 - Release Date: 02/12/03 |
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On Fri, 5 Dec 2003 18:20:10 -0000, Ken Cook wrote:
These inversion days are wonderful, aren't they Provided your on top. Not so nice in the freezing fog down in the valley bottoms. I've seen that, glorious morning bright sunshine in a cloudless sky up here, go to Penrith and it's 100m freezing fog and a hard frost. - it was definitely warm enough for shorts this afternoon! I wouldn't go that far, though I did slightly over dress with pullover, fleece and windproof coat to go out looking for the ISS at 1630. Didn't really need the windproof coat. The temp here seems to have steadied off around 5C againWe seem to have steadied of at 5C. damn, broadband is down can't see what GDF is reporting now, it was still up at 13/12C 1800/1900... -- Cheers Dave. pam is missing e-mail |
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In message , Dave
Liquorice writes Provided your on top. Not so nice in the freezing fog down in the valley bottoms. I've seen that, glorious morning bright sunshine in a cloudless sky up here, go to Penrith and it's 100m freezing fog and a hard frost. We travelled over to Newcastle on the Roman Wall road around lunchtime on Friday - bright and sunny, but looking down onto a layer of fog. We'd had a very red sunrise that morning, and were treated to an incredibly beautiful sunset as we left Newcastle later, heading for Darlington. After thinking it was quite mild there, I was surprised to feel a cold wind when we got back home and thought there was a hint of a helm bar over the Pennines. -- Anita Evans North Cumbria (anita[at]ra.evans.clara.co.uk to reply by e-mail) |
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![]() "Anita Evans" wrote After thinking it was quite mild there, I was surprised to feel a cold wind when we got back home and thought there was a hint of a helm bar over the Pennines. I hesitate to suggest it, but there is a little misunderstanding there. The exceptional warmth in NE England was caused by a westerly wind (and Foehn effect to the east of the Pennines) The helm bar (to the west of the main ridge of the Pennines) only occurs with easterly winds. Any wave bar Anita might have seen was probably generated by the Cumbrian Mountains to the west. Jack |
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On Sat, 6 Dec 2003 18:26:10 -0000, Jack Harrison wrote:
The exceptional warmth in NE England was caused by a westerly wind (and Foehn effect to the east of the Pennines) Well, there wasn't much westerly wind on Friday up here, mostly NE'ly. Admittedly the warm peak was during a brief westerly period of a couple of hours but the rest of the day was unseasonably warm at 5C. Would the Foehn effect affect us up on the hill? Must wander off and find a lay persons description of the Foehn effect... The helm bar (to the west of the main ridge of the Pennines) only occurs with easterly winds. If there wasn't a Helm yesterday their might be one now. We are in an E'ly F2 to F3 and more seasonal temperature of 2 to 3C. -- Cheers Dave. pam is missing e-mail |
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In message , Jack
Harrison writes I hesitate to suggest it, but there is a little misunderstanding there. The exceptional warmth in NE England was caused by a westerly wind (and Foehn effect to the east of the Pennines) The helm bar (to the west of the main ridge of the Pennines) only occurs with easterly winds. Any wave bar Anita might have seen was probably generated by the Cumbrian Mountains to the west. Hi Jack, There wasn't a pronounced bar as I have seen on several occasions, but the wind was blowing cold in my face as I got out of the car (early afternoon) and I was looking more or less to the east. Quite a contrast to the mildness in Darlington. Possibly just a local effect - I was too distracted with other things today to really take notice - just remember commenting on the fact that it was surprisingly cold! -- Anita Evans North Cumbria (anita[at]ra.evans.clara.co.uk to reply by e-mail) |
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One aspect of Foehn (mountain wave) situations is that the surface wind
direction can be reversed beneath a rotor. This is very well known to glider pilots but nevertheless, accidents have happened. I came to grief in a minor way at Aboyne many years ago. The SW wave was very good (I had just been up to over 25,000 feet). I had taken off from the westerly runway, but when I came to land some three hours later, the surface wind was now a howling SE'ly or even E'ly. I was well aware of the abrupt change in wind direction, so I decided to land in a field where I could have a better into-wind approach. Shall we say that the fierceness of the rotor gustiness dumped me on the ground in a somewhat undignified manner and minor damage occurred to the glider. As a broad guide to winds in wave/Foehn conditions, the surface wind is lightest under the crest of the wave, strongest at the bottom of the trough (where in effect the wind is pressed against the surface). This is only a general guide and there are many local effects. But I add this by way of explanation as to why with that exceptional warmth in NE England (basically an upper wind with a westerly component), there undoubtedly would have been some places where the local wind was very light or even reversed. Of course, now that the anticyclone has moved its location, there is a totally different wind pattern today in any case. Another place where I have experience of Foehn conditions was when I used to fly in and out of Innsbruck. That could be very rough, even in a 40 tonne jet aircraft, with tail winds at each end of the runway. Fun. I loved it. Good old days. Jack |
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