Just for interest. Just look at these cold Marches

March the coldest month of that year
Here's a CET list of Marches that were the coldest month of that year

1898 Mar 4.3
1883 Mar 1.9
1786 Mar 2.1
1770 Mar 2.5
1748 Mar 1.8
1747 Mar 2.5
1733 Mar 5.9
1720 Mar 4.0

Source: TWO.

I took a look at the CET figures and from what I could gather, the coldest
March on record is March 1674 with a CET of just 1C - incredible. When you
think what we get today. 1C is regarded as a severe month. To get a CET of
1C these days is regarded as an unusual occurrence. To get that in March,
well........

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Yes, but 1674 was still during the "Little Ice Age", so there cannot be any
comparison what-so-ever between then and now. Also worthy of note, is the
fact that temperatures were still being recorded in the CET record at half
degree intervals, e.g. 0.5, 1.0, 1.5 etc. This does not seem to have
changed until 1699, when tenths of a degree started being used. Go back to
1670 and the CET was still being measured in whole degrees!!

Shaun Pudwell.



"Gavin Staples" wrote in message
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Just for interest. Just look at these cold Marches

March the coldest month of that year
Here's a CET list of Marches that were the coldest month of that year

1898 Mar 4.3
1883 Mar 1.9
1786 Mar 2.1
1770 Mar 2.5
1748 Mar 1.8
1747 Mar 2.5
1733 Mar 5.9
1720 Mar 4.0

Source: TWO.

I took a look at the CET figures and from what I could gather, the coldest
March on record is March 1674 with a CET of just 1C - incredible. When you
think what we get today. 1C is regarded as a severe month. To get a CET of
1C these days is regarded as an unusual occurrence. To get that in March,
well........

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I must be in an irritable mood this morning (ask my wife) but that offering
from Shaun Pudwell made me read it twice,
to suggest that CET readings were adjusted as the years went by to whole
degrees or tenths or what ever beggars belief.
Shaun ,those figures were ESTIMATED by the master meteorologist Gordon
Manley, from various and very diverse observations around Britain which by
definition were sparce to say the least until 1800 or so.
Not taken from a thermometer hanging on a hook near Birmingham graduated
to different degrees as time went by ! ! .
So there

RonB
"Shaun Pudwell" wrote in message
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Yes, but 1674 was still during the "Little Ice Age", so there cannot be
any
comparison what-so-ever between then and now. Also worthy of note, is the
fact that temperatures were still being recorded in the CET record at half
degree intervals, e.g. 0.5, 1.0, 1.5 etc. This does not seem to have
changed until 1699, when tenths of a degree started being used. Go back
to
1670 and the CET was still being measured in whole degrees!!

Shaun Pudwell.



"Gavin Staples" wrote in message
...

Just for interest. Just look at these cold Marches

March the coldest month of that year
Here's a CET list of Marches that were the coldest month of that year

1898 Mar 4.3
1883 Mar 1.9
1786 Mar 2.1
1770 Mar 2.5
1748 Mar 1.8
1747 Mar 2.5
1733 Mar 5.9
1720 Mar 4.0

Source: TWO.

I took a look at the CET figures and from what I could gather, the
coldest
March on record is March 1674 with a CET of just 1C - incredible. When
you
think what we get today. 1C is regarded as a severe month. To get a CET
of
1C these days is regarded as an unusual occurrence. To get that in
March,
well........

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"Ron Button" wrote in message
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I must be in an irritable mood this morning (ask my wife).

Hi, Ron,

Join the Mr Grumpy club - I really do have the T shirt!

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those figures were ESTIMATED by the master meteorologist Gordon
Manley, from various and very diverse observations around Britain
which by
definition were sparce to say the least until 1800 or so.
Not taken from a thermometer hanging on a hook near Birmingham
graduated
to different degrees as time went by ! ! .
So there

The great man would have been accurate to 0.1C in our opinion in NE
England weather circles. Gordon Manley is a bit of a cult hero around
here.

ATB,

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In article ,
Gavin Staples writes:
I took a look at the CET figures and from what I could gather, the coldest
March on record is March 1674 with a CET of just 1C - incredible. When you
think what we get today. 1C is regarded as a severe month. To get a CET of
1C these days is regarded as an unusual occurrence. To get that in March,
well........

Indeed. What was the CET for March, 1795, as ISTR readi9ng that that was
the coldest on record?
--
John Hall

"The beatings will continue until morale improves."
Attributed to the Commander of Japan's Submarine Forces in WW2

In article ,
Ken Cook writes:
The great man would have been accurate to 0.1C in our opinion in NE
England weather circles. Gordon Manley is a bit of a cult hero around
here.

He's a hero of mine too, even though I come from namby-pamby Surrey.

Of course Manley was wise enough not to attempt to estimate CETs to a
greater degree of accuracy than the available data would support.
--
John Hall

"The beatings will continue until morale improves."
Attributed to the Commander of Japan's Submarine Forces in WW2

Whichever way you look at it, the readings are not reliable that far back.
I was merely quoting from the CET table on my computer.

The data can be downloaded from:
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/research...y/HadCET_act.t
xt

This is what I was referring to:

Shaun Pudwell.

"John Hall" wrote in message
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In article ,
Gavin Staples writes:
I took a look at the CET figures and from what I could gather, the
coldest
March on record is March 1674 with a CET of just 1C - incredible. When
you
think what we get today. 1C is regarded as a severe month. To get a CET
of
1C these days is regarded as an unusual occurrence. To get that in
March,
well........

Indeed. What was the CET for March, 1795, as ISTR readi9ng that that was
the coldest on record?
--
John Hall

"The beatings will continue until morale improves."
Attributed to the Commander of Japan's Submarine Forces in WW2

Re-ordered for convenience.

In article ,
Shaun Pudwell writes:

"John Hall" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Gavin Staples writes:
I took a look at the CET figures and from what I could gather, the
coldest
March on record is March 1674 with a CET of just 1C - incredible. When
you
think what we get today. 1C is regarded as a severe month. To get a CET
of
1C these days is regarded as an unusual occurrence. To get that in
March,
well........

Indeed. What was the CET for March, 1795, as ISTR readi9ng that that was
the coldest on record?

Whichever way you look at it, the readings are not reliable that far back.

Knowing the thoroughness of Professor Manley, I'd suggest that - though
the early values are inevitably less precise - they _are_ reliable. By
which I mean that, since Manley for that period was quoting values to
the nearest half a degree, there's a high probability that the 1.0
quoted was really somewhere between 0.75 and 1.25.

I was merely quoting from the CET table on my computer.

The data can be downloaded from:
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/research...y/HadCET_act.t
xt

This is what I was referring to:

Thanks for the reference. After checking there, I think I must have had
1785 (CET 1.2) in mind rather than 1795.
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John Hall

"Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong."
Oscar Wilde