I suppose one of the compensations or having a chronic illness is
heightened sensitivity to the weather. It is a pain though to wake up
almost every morning at around 3 am.

In Stoke on Trent, the geology is such that coal and limestone were once
readily available on the surface. I live near Trentham Lakes a now
defunct coal mine. This is a region you can almost set your clock by the
weather.

The changes in the frost/thaws we have just had have been waking me up
lately. This morning it's fog. If I remember correctly we get two bouts
of this before a massive gale. This generally takes place over a few
weeks.

Rather than fight the need to get a decent night's sleep I get up this
time and went for a walk. It's all interesting stuff but it isn't home
to me. I imagine the weather s similar up in North Wales. Anyone here
know?

So I got back in time for the shipping broadcast. Lows in Iceland and
Faeroes mean good weather for us here. However an Atlantic low moving to
Shannon means rain.

I'd have expected the pressure reports from the coastal stations would
have massive steps rather than a sinuous graph. This is the barometer
for Tiree to Main head from the 05:35 broadcast:

1006; 1002; 1001; 1011; 1015; 1015; 1016; 1016; 1017; 1016; 1012; 1013;
1008.

It runs with large leaps quite nicely up to the Channel Light Vessel
from Lerwick. Then one step down of 1 millimeter to Scilly. Similarly
from Lerwick to Ronalsway, dropping 1 millimeter to Valencia. From
Scilly to Valencia there is a drop of 4 millimeters.

Is this the signature of foggy weather?


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An heavily slanted article on fog in Africa's savanna lands:
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Study/AfricaOzone/

Written by hacks based in the USA, one might bear in mind that when
their states were run by well organised subsistence farmers, the quality
of life was idyllic. And the teeming, extensive varieties of flora and
fauna was legendary.

Now the powers that be there want fire raisers imprisoned. They also
want the farms producing genetically modified crops. As if it wasn't bad
enough to turn thousands of square miles of arable land into single crop
production.



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An heavily slanted article on fog in Africa's savanna lands:
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Study/AfricaOzone/

Written by hacks based in the USA, one might bear in mind that when
their states were run by well organised subsistence farmers, the quality
of life was idyllic. And the teeming, extensive varieties of flora and
fauna was legendary.

The life of subsistence farmers tends to be hard, by definition it consists
of work and sleep with pretty damn boring food (bread/[porridge with
occassional meat and a few seasonable veg.)



Now the powers that be there want fire raisers imprisoned. They also
want the farms producing genetically modified crops. As if it wasn't bad
enough to turn thousands of square miles of arable land into single crop
production.

No, urban growth has turned thousands of square miles into single crop
production. Urban growth is comprised of all those people who couldn't face
being subsistance farmers anymore and got out of it to dead end jobs as
machine minders in the cities.
Subsistance farmers cannot support cities
Jim Webster



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Michael McNeil writes:
I'd have expected the pressure reports from the coastal stations would
have massive steps rather than a sinuous graph. This is the barometer
for Tiree to Main head from the 05:35 broadcast:

1006; 1002; 1001; 1011; 1015; 1015; 1016; 1016; 1017; 1016; 1012; 1013;
1008.

It runs with large leaps quite nicely up to the Channel Light Vessel
from Lerwick. Then one step down of 1 millimeter to Scilly. Similarly
from Lerwick to Ronalsway, dropping 1 millimeter to Valencia. From
Scilly to Valencia there is a drop of 4 millimeters.

Is this the signature of foggy weather?

Small pressure gradients imply light winds, which is one of the
requirements for fog. The others are humid air and clear skies, so that
the air close to the ground will cool sufficiently at night to reach
saturation point.

If you look at the pressure chart published in your daily newspaper,
then after allowing for the effect of the time difference you should be
able to match up the shipping forecast pressure readings with the
isobars shown on the chart.
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John Hall "He crams with cans of poisoned meat
The subjects of the King,
And when they die by thousands G.K.Chesterton:
Why, he laughs like anything." from "Song Against Grocers"

"Jim Webster" wrote in message


The life of subsistence farmers tends to be hard, by definition it consists
of work and sleep with pretty damn boring food (bread/[porridge with
occassional meat and a few seasonable veg.)
Don't be silly.

The whole of the United states and Canada produced a rich variety of
food and veg the kind that had never been seen in Europe until we sent
them plagues and genocidal maniacs.

Even today most people who live on the subsistance level in regions not
damaged by war, commerce and politics lead dynamic fruitful lives and
some sources state they seldom work more than 4 hours a day. If this
includes hunting, fishing and walks in the park, that's a hell of a lot
of time left over for sex if you don't have a TV and a mortgage.


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The life of subsistence farmers tends to be hard, by definition it
consists
of work and sleep with pretty damn boring food (bread/[porridge with
occassional meat and a few seasonable veg.)
Don't be silly.

The whole of the United states and Canada produced a rich variety of
food and veg the kind that had never been seen in Europe until we sent
them plagues and genocidal maniacs.

Even today most people who live on the subsistance level in regions not
damaged by war, commerce and politics lead dynamic fruitful lives and
some sources state they seldom work more than 4 hours a day. If this
includes hunting, fishing and walks in the park, that's a hell of a lot
of time left over for sex if you don't have a TV and a mortgage.

First you are not talking about subsistence farmers, you are talking about
hunter gatherers. At that level of technology Europe might just have a
population of a million, or less, but by definition you would never know
because you would never meet anyone you didn't walk to meet

I suggest you talk to the archaeologists. Awful lot of female skeletons
show chronic arthritis from grinding grain by hand. Life expectancy of about
30 - 40 for the lower orders.

However if you like the lifestyle, you can buy agricultural land for less
than 3000 an acre pretty well anywhere in the UK so sell the house and
become a subsistence farmer

Jim Webster

"Jim Webster" wrote in message


First you are not talking about subsistence farmers, you are talking about
hunter gatherers. At that level of technology Europe might just have a
population of a million, or less, but by definition you would never know
because you would never meet anyone you didn't walk to meet

No I was talking about the people who used to live in the rich and
variegated farmland called the Wild West when it was still the wild east
too. You are the one who insisted on categorising my original words. As
for health and etc, you don't need an archaeological survey to realize
the error in your concept.

Despite a National Health Service that has consumed billions of pounds
and occupied some great minds and produced great medicines most of which
came directly from savages and witches etc; the health of this nation is
not exactly marvelous is it? Or would a mass exhumation of any modern
cemetery here not reveal that some people suffered with arthritis.

Get a life fool.



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"Jim Webster" wrote in message


First you are not talking about subsistence farmers, you are talking
about
hunter gatherers. At that level of technology Europe might just have a
population of a million, or less, but by definition you would never know
because you would never meet anyone you didn't walk to meet

No I was talking about the people who used to live in the rich and
variegated farmland called the Wild West when it was still the wild east
too. You are the one who insisted on categorising my original words. As
for health and etc, you don't need an archaeological survey to realize
the error in your concept.

Which particular bit do you mean because most of the plains Indians were
hunter gatherers. Further south and into central America they were farmers
but by definition they weren't subsistence farmers because their society
could fund cities and pyramids.
There has also been some very interesting work done on over cropping,
drought and climate in that area


Despite a National Health Service that has consumed billions of pounds
and occupied some great minds and produced great medicines most of which
came directly from savages and witches etc; the health of this nation is
not exactly marvelous is it? Or would a mass exhumation of any modern
cemetery here not reveal that some people suffered with arthritis.

I suggest that you check life expectancy over the years

Note if you are so keen, just buy the land and shun the NHS


Get a life fool.

And also realise that when you resort to insult you just display your own
true level of competence.

Jim Webster