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BACK AND FORTH THIS WEEK, THEN MAJOR TROUGH DEVELOPS FARTHER WEST NEXT WEEK.
ARCTIC ATTACK POSSIBLE WEEK OF 11TH FOR MUCH OF EUROPE. The upcoming week will feature a flattening of the mean trough and ridge positions, but it is merely an in between time before the trough cranks up stronger than all winter in the means for next week, with the prospect that the cherries are lined up like the slots at Monte Carlo. Cold in western Europe, eastern and central North America and eastern Asia, the big three temperate region fuel consuming areas the middle and latter part of the week of the 11th. My concern is that if we are mimicking summer, then the mean trough has been pulling back the same way the ridge did during summer. Now though, the elusive butterfly of blocking may develop upstream from the North American trough next week (week of 11th) rather than upstream from the trough in Europe. This mean air mass could be delivered with a high coming south from over the the pole and midway between Scandinavia and Greenland, rather than the normal developing north Atlantic high coming from south of Greenland (maritime) with it coming at the coldest time of the year. Such an event would have an ironic balance with the summer. For this week, though, the pulse east of the ridge (one step forward, two steps back) means much of the continent is milder by way of a fast west flow that tries to develop between the trough over the northern part of the continent and the ridge trying to stick its nose in east. An interesting side note is a temperature report out of Siberia of their coldest temperature ever (not for the whole place, but for the city in question) at -72F. Such a temperature is the kind of thing where dogs wind up stuck to fire hydrants. Ciao for now |
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Interesting addition today...
snip There is some sentiment in the office to the extreme event temperature wise down the road, but that is something that I can only allude to now. snip Keith (Southend) ******************************** 'Weather Home & Abroad' http://www.southendweather.net ******************************** COL Station for Southend-on-Sea ******************************** Reply to: kreh'at'southendweather'dot'net All mail scanned for virus's using Norton 2003 On Mon, 5 Jan 2004 20:32:37 -0000, "Weatherman" wrote: BACK AND FORTH THIS WEEK, THEN MAJOR TROUGH DEVELOPS FARTHER WEST NEXT WEEK. ARCTIC ATTACK POSSIBLE WEEK OF 11TH FOR MUCH OF EUROPE. The upcoming week will feature a flattening of the mean trough and ridge positions, but it is merely an in between time before the trough cranks up stronger than all winter in the means for next week, with the prospect that the cherries are lined up like the slots at Monte Carlo. Cold in western Europe, eastern and central North America and eastern Asia, the big three temperate region fuel consuming areas the middle and latter part of the week of the 11th. My concern is that if we are mimicking summer, then the mean trough has been pulling back the same way the ridge did during summer. Now though, the elusive butterfly of blocking may develop upstream from the North American trough next week (week of 11th) rather than upstream from the trough in Europe. This mean air mass could be delivered with a high coming south from over the the pole and midway between Scandinavia and Greenland, rather than the normal developing north Atlantic high coming from south of Greenland (maritime) with it coming at the coldest time of the year. Such an event would have an ironic balance with the summer. For this week, though, the pulse east of the ridge (one step forward, two steps back) means much of the continent is milder by way of a fast west flow that tries to develop between the trough over the northern part of the continent and the ridge trying to stick its nose in east. An interesting side note is a temperature report out of Siberia of their coldest temperature ever (not for the whole place, but for the city in question) at -72F. Such a temperature is the kind of thing where dogs wind up stuck to fire hydrants. Ciao for now |
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Keith.
I have been reading Joe's column now for some months and once you get used to his jargon it really makes quite interesting reading. I really do hope that he is right in what he is saying as I am sceptical about global warming, and I would love to hear what the GW enthusiasts can come up with if this severe cold spell really happens. Although I was not around in 1947, that winter didn't really start until quite late in January with exceptionally mild temperatures preceeding the icy blast. It appears to me and perhaps some others that the GW enthusiasts think they are onto a winner if it fails to snow in December. We all know it can happen as late as March and quite often does. I still fail to see what people enjoy about a mild british winter with all the rain and gloom, but I could understand it if it was sunny. Best regards. Len. "Keith (Southend)" wrote in message news ![]() Interesting addition today... snip There is some sentiment in the office to the extreme event temperature wise down the road, but that is something that I can only allude to now. snip Keith (Southend) ******************************** 'Weather Home & Abroad' http://www.southendweather.net ******************************** COL Station for Southend-on-Sea ******************************** Reply to: kreh'at'southendweather'dot'net All mail scanned for virus's using Norton 2003 On Mon, 5 Jan 2004 20:32:37 -0000, "Weatherman" wrote: BACK AND FORTH THIS WEEK, THEN MAJOR TROUGH DEVELOPS FARTHER WEST NEXT WEEK. ARCTIC ATTACK POSSIBLE WEEK OF 11TH FOR MUCH OF EUROPE. The upcoming week will feature a flattening of the mean trough and ridge positions, but it is merely an in between time before the trough cranks up stronger than all winter in the means for next week, with the prospect that the cherries are lined up like the slots at Monte Carlo. Cold in western Europe, eastern and central North America and eastern Asia, the big three temperate region fuel consuming areas the middle and latter part of the week of the 11th. My concern is that if we are mimicking summer, then the mean trough has been pulling back the same way the ridge did during summer. Now though, the elusive butterfly of blocking may develop upstream from the North American trough next week (week of 11th) rather than upstream from the trough in Europe. This mean air mass could be delivered with a high coming south from over the the pole and midway between Scandinavia and Greenland, rather than the normal developing north Atlantic high coming from south of Greenland (maritime) with it coming at the coldest time of the year. Such an event would have an ironic balance with the summer. For this week, though, the pulse east of the ridge (one step forward, two steps back) means much of the continent is milder by way of a fast west flow that tries to develop between the trough over the northern part of the continent and the ridge trying to stick its nose in east. An interesting side note is a temperature report out of Siberia of their coldest temperature ever (not for the whole place, but for the city in question) at -72F. Such a temperature is the kind of thing where dogs wind up stuck to fire hydrants. Ciao for now |
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"Keith (Southend)" writes: Interesting addition today... snip There is some sentiment in the office to the extreme event temperature wise down the road, but that is something that I can only allude to now. snip Any idea what that might mean if translated into English? -- John Hall "It is a very sad thing that nowadays there is so little useless information." Oscar Wilde (1854-1900) |
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John.
Putting it bluntly, I would say its a possible arse covering statement. Regards. Len. "John Hall" wrote in message ... In article , "Keith (Southend)" writes: Interesting addition today... snip There is some sentiment in the office to the extreme event temperature wise down the road, but that is something that I can only allude to now. snip Any idea what that might mean if translated into English? -- John Hall "It is a very sad thing that nowadays there is so little useless information." Oscar Wilde (1854-1900) |
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In message , Weatherman
writes Keith. I have been reading Joe's column now for some months and once you get used to his jargon it really makes quite interesting reading. I really do hope that he is right in what he is saying as I am sceptical about global warming, and I would love to hear what the GW enthusiasts can come up with if this severe cold spell really happens. Although I was not around in 1947, that winter didn't really start until quite late in January with exceptionally mild temperatures preceeding the icy blast. It appears to me and perhaps some others that the GW enthusiasts think they are onto a winner if it fails to snow in December. We all know it can happen as late as March and quite often does. I still fail to see what people enjoy about a mild british winter with all the rain and gloom, but I could understand it if it was sunny. Best regards. Len. What exactly is there about extreme cold which turns you on? Do you even know? I wasn't around in '47 but I was a kid during '63 and after a short while snow and hard cold becomes very tedious and you really wish for it to relent.. Give me "mild, mild, mild" any day. -- Bill |
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![]() "Bill" wrote in message ... In message , Weatherman I wasn't around in '47 but I was a kid during '63 and after a short while snow and hard cold becomes very tedious and you really wish for it to relent.. Give me "mild, mild, mild" any day. I'm with you on this. Water runs away of its own accord, I have to shift the snow in person or we cannot get to the main road Cold is just so much more extra work Jim Webster -- Bill |
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"Jim Webster" wrote in message
... "Bill" wrote in message ... In message , Weatherman I wasn't around in '47 but I was a kid during '63 and after a short while snow and hard cold becomes very tedious and you really wish for it to relent.. Give me "mild, mild, mild" any day. I'm with you on this. Water runs away of its own accord, I have to shift the snow in person or we cannot get to the main road Cold is just so much more extra work Jim Webster I suspect the same would apply to many if not all the cold weather lovers in this group if one of these type of winters did occur again. Although I much prefer some cold, frost & snow to the present weather, it did get very trying during the 1995/96 winter in Scotland (near East Kilbride). I don't know whether temperatures of -20C or so (between Christmas 1995 and New Year) are any more or less pleasant than +35C or above in summer. The repeated heavy (to a level almost certainly unknown in the populated parts of the SE away from the Downs or Chilterns) snowfalls of that winter through Jan/Feb 1996 also lost their novelty when the drive had to be cleared each time, sometimes 3 times in a day! Reading George Booths excellent summary reports of 1947 in England, it looks that in the South of England, that may, on the whole have been less severe than the above winter in the aforementioned part of Scotland. I suspect it is precisely because of its rarity why so many of us in here long for it so much. -- Pete Please take my dog out twice to e-mail --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed above are entirely those of the writer and do not represent the views, policy or understanding of any other person or official body. --------------------------------------------------------------- |
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![]() "Pete B" wrote in message news:3ffbff8d$0$1472$9b0f33e3@clyde... "Jim Webster" wrote in message ... "Bill" wrote in message ... In message , Weatherman I wasn't around in '47 but I was a kid during '63 and after a short while snow and hard cold becomes very tedious and you really wish for it to relent.. Give me "mild, mild, mild" any day. I'm with you on this. Water runs away of its own accord, I have to shift the snow in person or we cannot get to the main road Cold is just so much more extra work Jim Webster I suspect the same would apply to many if not all the cold weather lovers in this group if one of these type of winters did occur again. Although I much prefer some cold, frost & snow to the present weather, it did get very trying during the 1995/96 winter in Scotland (near East Kilbride). I don't know whether temperatures of -20C or so (between Christmas 1995 and New Year) are any more or less pleasant than +35C or above in summer. The repeated heavy (to a level almost certainly unknown in the populated parts of the SE away from the Downs or Chilterns) snowfalls of that winter through Jan/Feb 1996 also lost their novelty when the drive had to be cleared each time, sometimes 3 times in a day! Reading George Booths excellent summary reports of 1947 in England, it looks that in the South of England, that may, on the whole have been less severe than the above winter in the aforementioned part of Scotland. even in this part of south cumbria, two miles from the sea in three directions, my parents remember 47 because the roads were closed to traffic for several weeks 63 I remember myself. My father nearly killing himself working all hours to carry water from a stand pipe to cattle, for (from memory) six weeks. no, real life just gets too difficult when it gets cold like that, you have to do everything you normally do, plus all the extra work that comes your way to cope with the weather The usual couple of wet weeks followed by couple of sort of dry weeks with perhaps even the occassional day below freezing is fine by me Jim Webster |
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Bill your right in what you say about the cold, but a change is as good as a
rest. "Bill" wrote in message ... In message , Weatherman writes Keith. I have been reading Joe's column now for some months and once you get used to his jargon it really makes quite interesting reading. I really do hope that he is right in what he is saying as I am sceptical about global warming, and I would love to hear what the GW enthusiasts can come up with if this severe cold spell really happens. Although I was not around in 1947, that winter didn't really start until quite late in January with exceptionally mild temperatures preceeding the icy blast. It appears to me and perhaps some others that the GW enthusiasts think they are onto a winner if it fails to snow in December. We all know it can happen as late as March and quite often does. I still fail to see what people enjoy about a mild british winter with all the rain and gloom, but I could understand it if it was sunny. Best regards. Len. What exactly is there about extreme cold which turns you on? Do you even know? I wasn't around in '47 but I was a kid during '63 and after a short while snow and hard cold becomes very tedious and you really wish for it to relent.. Give me "mild, mild, mild" any day. -- Bill |
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