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Phillip Eden did a nice job of explaining current vs historic forecast
technology today on R5 (given the limited slot just before midday), but as he stated that he's a radio-only weatherman, when was the first public broadcast radio forecast made? Mike |
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![]() "Mike Causer" wrote in message news ![]() Phillip Eden did a nice job of explaining current vs historic forecast technology today on R5 (given the limited slot just before midday), but as he stated that he's a radio-only weatherman, when was the first public broadcast radio forecast made? Well I think the BBC first started broadcasting in 1924, so I guess it would have been then. Col -- Bolton, Lancashire. 160m asl. http://www.reddwarfer.btinternet.co.uk |
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![]() "Col" wrote in message ... "Mike Causer" wrote in message news ![]() Phillip Eden did a nice job of explaining current vs historic forecast technology today on R5 (given the limited slot just before midday), but as he stated that he's a radio-only weatherman, when was the first public broadcast radio forecast made? Well I think the BBC first started broadcasting in 1924, so I guess it would have been then. I don't know the answer to this, but the first professional meteorologist to present a weather forecast on the radio probably happened very late ... possibly even after the TV ones started. I know that the regular forecasts were very carefully and formally scripted by the Met Office and read verbatim by the BBC announcer into the 1950s. I have a book which contains copies of a handful of these scripts from the early-50s. There were, of course, many talks on the weather from the very earliest days of radio, from the likes of H.R.Mill, Napier Shaw, Gordon Manley, etc. Perhaps contributors even older than I am can enlighten us ... :-P Philip Eden |
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![]() "Col" wrote in message ... "Philip Eden" philipATweatherHYPHENukDOTcom wrote in message ... "Col" wrote in message ... Well I think the BBC first started broadcasting in 1924, so I guess it would have been then. I don't know the answer to this, but the first professional meteorologist to present a weather forecast on the radio probably happened very late ... possibly even after the TV ones started. I know that the regular forecasts were very carefully and formally scripted by the Met Office and read verbatim by the BBC announcer into the 1950s. I have a book which contains copies of a handful of these scripts from the early-50s. There were, of course, many talks on the weather from the very earliest days of radio, from the likes of H.R.Mill, Napier Shaw, Gordon Manley, etc. Perhaps contributors even older than I am can enlighten us ... :-P Philip, that does surprise me. I would have thought that as soon as regular radio broadcasts were being transmitted then it would have been natural for a public weather forecast to have been broadcast as well. I guess it was a different world back then. Well, they were, but they were scripts read by the announcer. pe |
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![]() "Philip Eden" philipATweatherHYPHENukDOTcom wrote in message ... "Col" wrote in message ... Well I think the BBC first started broadcasting in 1924, so I guess it would have been then. I don't know the answer to this, but the first professional meteorologist to present a weather forecast on the radio probably happened very late ... possibly even after the TV ones started. I know that the regular forecasts were very carefully and formally scripted by the Met Office and read verbatim by the BBC announcer into the 1950s. I have a book which contains copies of a handful of these scripts from the early-50s. There were, of course, many talks on the weather from the very earliest days of radio, from the likes of H.R.Mill, Napier Shaw, Gordon Manley, etc. Perhaps contributors even older than I am can enlighten us ... :-P Philip, that does surprise me. I would have thought that as soon as regular radio broadcasts were being transmitted then it would have been natural for a public weather forecast to have been broadcast as well. I guess it was a different world back then. Still, you live and learn ![]() Col -- Bolton, Lancashire. 160m asl. http://www.reddwarfer.btinternet.co.uk |
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![]() "Philip Eden" philipATweatherHYPHENukDOTcom wrote in message ... "Col" wrote in message ... forecasts were very carefully and formally scripted by the Philip, that does surprise me. I would have thought that as soon as regular radio broadcasts were being transmitted then it would have been natural for a public weather forecast to have been broadcast as well. I guess it was a different world back then. Well, they were, but they were scripts read by the announcer. Sorry, I think I misread your post. I see what you mean now ![]() Col -- Bolton, Lancashire. 160m asl. http://www.reddwarfer.btinternet.co.uk |
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![]() "Jeremy Rogers" wrote in message ... Mike Causer in message pan.2004.01.09.22.30.44.797561@firstnamelastname. org wrote: Phillip Eden did a nice job of explaining current vs historic forecast technology today on R5 (given the limited slot just before midday), but as he stated that he's a radio-only weatherman, when was the first public broadcast radio forecast made? 26 March 1923 was the date daily forecasts started. Now did anyone remember last year to celebrate the 80th anniversary ... As above for first *routine* radio (scripted) broadcast specifically for the BBC; I believe that the British Broadcasting Company (when first started IIRC 1922) would read out the weather forecast printed in the daily papers (as was the news - a collation of all the newspapers at the time): the date I have for this is 14th November 1922, which is the same date for initial broadcast of 2LO. [BBC become a public corporation in 1927]. Presumably in March 1923, someone thought it would be a good idea to have a dedicated radio weather forecast. (However, this conflicts with the BBCi Weather Centre site, who say that the 1922 issue was a *scripted* forecast from the Meteorological Office.) 1936 Weather forecast in *caption* form on the embryonic television (BBC) service. 1939 Forecasts for the public (including broadcast) suspended 'for the duration' 1945 (May/June?) Radio (scripted) forecasts resume. 1949 July - TV captions resume. 1954 First live TV (BBC - there was only the BBC!) as noted elsewhere. 1959 London WC opens - and I *think* it was around this time that the first 'live'/unscripted radio presentation was made from the studio there - I used to have the date but can't put my hand to it - certainly very early 1960's at the latest. But, much was still scripted on radio. Martin. |
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![]() "Martin Rowley" wrote in message ... "Jeremy Rogers" wrote in message ... Mike Causer in message pan.2004.01.09.22.30.44.797561@firstnamelastname. org wrote: Phillip Eden did a nice job of explaining current vs historic forecast technology today on R5 (given the limited slot just before midday), but as he stated that he's a radio-only weatherman, when was the first public broadcast radio forecast made? 26 March 1923 was the date daily forecasts started. Now did anyone remember last year to celebrate the 80th anniversary ... 1959 London WC opens - and I *think* it was around this time that the first 'live'/unscripted radio presentation was made from the studio there - I used to have the date but can't put my hand to it - certainly very early 1960's at the latest. But, much was still scripted on radio. This makes sense ... in which case the first meteorologist to present a forecast on the radio could possibly have been Jack Armstrong, Trevor Davies, or Norman Ellis ... although I don't remember listening to weather forecasts in 1959, when they first began to impinge a couple of years later I'm pretty sure that it was only the TV forecasters who also did the forecasts on BBC radio -- mostly on the Home Service but also occasionally on the Light Programme. Philip Eden |
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![]() "Philip Eden" philipATweatherHYPHENukDOTcom wrote in message ... "Martin Rowley" wrote in message ... snip 1959 London WC opens - and I *think* it was around this time that the first 'live'/unscripted radio presentation was made from the studio there - I used to have the date but can't put my hand to it - certainly very early 1960's at the latest. But, much was still scripted on radio. This makes sense ... in which case the first meteorologist to present a forecast on the radio could possibly have been Jack Armstrong, Trevor Davies, or Norman Ellis ... although I don't remember listening to weather forecasts in 1959, when they first began to impinge a couple of years later I'm pretty sure that it was only the TV forecasters who also did the forecasts on BBC radio -- mostly on the Home Service but also occasionally on the Light Programme. Philip Eden .... in fact, until at least the time I left LWC (1988), and I think into the very early 90's, P Met O London was o-i-c the Weather Centre team (relatively small unit then), as the forecasters were nominally attached/based to/at London WC. Indeed, some (Giles, McCaskill, Fish, Kettley) still came onto our rosters on odd occasions and it was Mr McC who was on duty at London Wc on the 15th/16th October, 1987. As the BBC-tv team grew dramatically mid-90's onwards (and also London spawned the services for ITN/ITV), then BBC Weather Centre (as it came to be known) got it's own management team which effectively bi-passed the London structu this reflected it's importance in the grand scheme of things, especially with the growth of BBC World, BBC News24 and BBCi etc. Martin. |
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