"Andrew Bond" wrote in message
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"Tom" wrote in message
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Anyone else notice that the GFS handled this depression right from
+72hrs?

Yep,

And the GFS is a free model provided by our American friends who invest in
it tirelessly and offer it for free to commercial/educational and
government
use.

I'm more concerned that the Met Office on Jon's example failed also to
pick
out :-

- Trough lying over Western Scotland
- Secondary shallow shallow low Northwest of Scotland
- Wave developing 300miles West of France

I'd just like to think that the Met Office will not dismiss this as a "Oh
well...." scenario and that they might look into what extra funding,
resources they require in order to bring themselves to anywhere near the
level of consistency and accuracy offered by NOAA.

A

Its all very well to slag off the Met Office and complain about the Global
Model, if you believe the GFS is such a superior model then why did you not
base your forecast yesterday around its output and ignore that of the Met
Office. Fair enough you have but up a "We got it wrong statement" - fine so
did the met office, but don;t go on about how rubbish their model is when
you as an organisation chose to follow it. Please be consistent and a bit
less of a hypocrite.

Regards
Paul

I have noticed the GFS is far improved recently. The UKMO has definately
struggled in recent times. And, yes, it is great that our American friends
offer it for free.

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Jon O'Rourke writes:
We've got more reporting stations now than we ever had, many reporting at 10
minute intervals, yes many are automated but the quality is improving all
the time.

How has the number of ships reporting from the Atlantic changed over the
years?
--
John Hall

"Distrust any enterprise that requires new clothes."
Henry David Thoreau (1817-1862)

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How has the number of ships reporting from the Atlantic changed over the
years?

Other than the loss of the weather ships (GACA etc) I doubt it, John.
One thing there is certainly more of is floating bouys.

Jon.



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How has the number of ships reporting from the Atlantic changed over the
years?

Other than the loss of the weather ships (GACA etc) I doubt it, John.
One thing there is certainly more of is floating bouys.

Thanks, Jon. Are the buoys only in coastal/shallow waters, or are there
some in the middle of the Atlantic as well?
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John Hall Weep not for little Leonie
Abducted by a French Marquis!
Though loss of honour was a wrench
Just think how it's improved her French. Harry Graham (1874-1936)

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How has the number of ships reporting from the Atlantic changed over the
years?

Other than the loss of the weather ships (GACA etc) I doubt it, John.
One thing there is certainly more of is floating bouys.

Jon.

I may be wrong but my impression is that there were many more SYNOPs
from ships in the 1960s and 1970s than there are today. There were
certainly many more ships plying the oceans 30-40 years ago.

Norman.
(delete "thisbit" twice to e-mail)
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Norman Lynagh Weather Consultancy
Chalfont St Giles
England

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I may be wrong but my impression is that there were many more SYNOPs
from ships in the 1960s and 1970s than there are today. There were
certainly many more ships plying the oceans 30-40 years ago.

It would seem logical that were more back then, Norman. I was thinking in
terms of the last 10 or so years.

Jon.

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Are the buoys only in coastal/shallow waters, or are there
some in the middle of the Atlantic as well?
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Pretty much all over.

http://www.metbrief.com/0600Z.gif

Shows the 0600Z buoy (triangles)/ship (circles) data this morning (note some
decluttering employed).

Jon.

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Jon O'Rourke writes:

"John Hall" wrote in message
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snip
Are the buoys only in coastal/shallow waters, or are there
some in the middle of the Atlantic as well?

Pretty much all over.

http://www.metbrief.com/0600Z.gif

Shows the 0600Z buoy (triangles)/ship (circles) data this morning (note some
decluttering employed).

Thanks, Jon. Yes, that does look like pretty good coverage, though by
the nature of things I imagine that the ship coverage will have gaps in
it from time to time (which is when the buoys can be particularly
important). In addition to the randomness factor, I imagine that
merchant ships would try to steer courses that will minimise exposure to
any particularly nasty storms that are forecast.

It looks as though most of the buoys can't measure wind direction or
speed, which I imagine must sometimes be a handicap.

I confess that I hadn't visited your site before - it's superb.
--
John Hall "Never play cards with a man called Doc.
Never eat at a place called Mom's.
Never sleep with a woman whose troubles
are worse than your own." Nelson Algren