uk.sci.weather (UK Weather) (uk.sci.weather) For the discussion of daily weather events, chiefly affecting the UK and adjacent parts of Europe, both past and predicted. The discussion is open to all, but contributions on a practical scientific level are encouraged.

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
  #1   Report Post  
Old February 16th 04, 06:33 PM posted to uk.sci.weather
external usenet poster
 
First recorded activity by Weather-Banter: Jul 2003
Posts: 250
Default Cloud Top height

Does anyone know if there is a standard colour representation for cloud
top charts/images up to 16.8kms.

Cheers,
James
--
James Brown

  #2   Report Post  
Old February 17th 04, 12:15 PM posted to uk.sci.weather
external usenet poster
 
First recorded activity by Weather-Banter: Jul 2003
Posts: 506
Default Cloud Top height


"James Brown" wrote in message
...
Does anyone know if there is a standard colour representation for

cloud
top charts/images up to 16.8kms.


.... I see no-one has replied; possibly because, like me, we're not sure
what you mean ;-)

If you mean is there a standard for colour-slicing of Infra Red (or
indeed any imagery) on workstations, then AFAIK, there isn't. All the
systems I have worked on in the past let you define your own set-up for
colours, depending upon the temperature of the cloud tops. Indeed, many
let you store your own default set-up. I used to find it useful to have
a particular scheme just for cold tops (roughly colder than -30degC), so
that anything colder was a shade of blue or green, with all other set to
grey-scale. You could then tell instantly whether areas of cold topped
cloud were growing (developmental) or decreasing (weakening). Another
useful dodge for night-time was to try and 'tune' the colours of SC/ST
against the land surface - didn't always work of course, but even a
slight difference, when run on a rapid looping cycle, could help decided
where a Sc edge was going. There are many variations on this theme.

Some standard visualisation packages may offer 'default' schemes, but
even these can often be tinkered with.

In monochrome, then of course it has usually been 'standard' for
low-level / warm-topped clouds (e.g. St, Sc) to be dark grey to
near-black, whilst higher-level / cold-topped clouds (e.g. Ci, Cs) to be
white, with very cold (e.g. deep/vigorous Cb tops) the whitest of all.
But even this is not set in stone: it's just how things were done when
APT was first provided as an operational tool back in the 1960's.

HTH

Martin.

--
FAQ & Glossary for uk.sci.weather at:-
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/booty.weather/uswfaqfr.htm


  #3   Report Post  
Old February 17th 04, 05:28 PM posted to uk.sci.weather
external usenet poster
 
First recorded activity by Weather-Banter: Jul 2003
Posts: 250
Default Cloud Top height

In message , Martin
Rowley writes

"James Brown" wrote in message
. ..
Does anyone know if there is a standard colour representation for

cloud
top charts/images up to 16.8kms.


... I see no-one has replied; possibly because, like me, we're not sure
what you mean ;-)


Many thanks for that Martin. I should perhaps have explained that
EUMETSAT are issuing revised format CTH images - via their DVB
distribution system, derived from MSG-1 imaging. They actually give
heights rather than temperatures, though possibly there is some direct
correlation?

Cheers,
James
--
James Brown
  #4   Report Post  
Old February 17th 04, 07:32 PM posted to uk.sci.weather
external usenet poster
 
First recorded activity by Weather-Banter: Jul 2003
Posts: 506
Default Cloud Top height


"James Brown" wrote in message
...

Many thanks for that Martin. I should perhaps have explained that
EUMETSAT are issuing revised format CTH images - via their DVB
distribution system, derived from MSG-1 imaging. They actually give
heights rather than temperatures, though possibly there is some direct
correlation?


.... are these the ones?

http://makeashorterlink.com/?L2EC12077



Martin.


  #5   Report Post  
Old February 18th 04, 07:42 AM posted to uk.sci.weather
external usenet poster
 
First recorded activity by Weather-Banter: Jul 2003
Posts: 506
Default Cloud Top height


"Martin Rowley" wrote in message
...


... are these the ones?

http://makeashorterlink.com/?L2EC12077


.... since the above, have now had time to look on the EUMETSAT site.
Have a look at:-

http://makeashorterlink.com/?S53F35177

which states that the height information is derived from IR (averaged
over pixels) irradiance - i.e. based on temperature. (It did cross my
mind that with the wonderful sensors around nowadays, some sort of
radar-based imagery might be employed, but thinking about it, the
Meteosat (& other) geostationary series are probably too far out for
meaningful data. Polar orbiting platforms are another matter though.)

These products have been around for at least 10 years; we used to use
them at Strike Command in the early 1990's, when the products were seen
via 'wetfax' systems - only 4 times a day (as now), but still quite
useful as long as the lack of resolution was allowed for.

Follow the embedded link (CTH) from the EUMETSAT entry above, and you
will find a colour-chart which goes with the imagery. Perhaps this is
what you were after?

HTH

Martin.
--
FAQ & Glossary for uk.sci.weather at:-
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/booty.weather/uswfaqfr.htm




  #6   Report Post  
Old February 18th 04, 09:44 PM posted to uk.sci.weather
external usenet poster
 
First recorded activity by Weather-Banter: Jul 2003
Posts: 250
Default Cloud Top height

Many thanks for that Martin - a useful link I had overlooked.

The latest images via MSG-1 have for example vegetation indexes for CLAI
images and the CTH with images which are now 1280 x 1392 and are 8 bit
deep. The area covered has also been extended so that the northernmost
extension e.g. is to Iceland.

Lots more goodies to come.

Cheers,
James


--
James Brown


Reply
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules

Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
HRPT image-cloud top temp -91.6C Bernard Burton uk.sci.weather (UK Weather) 1 April 14th 06 10:28 AM
Cloud base height? Alastair McDonald uk.sci.weather (UK Weather) 0 June 17th 05 10:17 AM
Estimating height of cloud layers at night Philip Eden uk.sci.weather (UK Weather) 2 January 20th 05 10:32 PM
Cloud height prediction John Smith uk.sci.weather (UK Weather) 3 August 13th 04 10:38 AM
Cloud top heights in satellite imagery Waghorn uk.sci.weather (UK Weather) 0 June 9th 04 08:34 PM


All times are GMT. The time now is 03:30 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004-2025 Weather Banter.
The comments are property of their posters.
 

About Us

"It's about Weather"

 

Copyright © 2017