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![]() "Jon O'Rourke" wrote in message ... http://www.metoffice.com/corporate/p.../timeline.html Shame it won't reach 200. Shall we have a sweepstake? I'll start the ball rolling and offer a generous 172. The end comes when no part of the MO(1) remains a central government- funded and controlled(2) service. (1) except the Library and Archives which, strictly speaking, are distinct from the rest (2) excluding under the aegis of a university or other educational establishment Send your tenners to me! Philip Eden |
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Shame it won't reach 200 However long it lasts, there will be plenty more information contained in the October special issue of 'Weather', commemorating the anniversary. Julian Julian Mayes West Molesey Surrey (Ed. 'Weather') |
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![]() Shame it won't reach 200. Shall we have a sweepstake? I'll start the ball rolling and offer a generous 172. The end comes when no part of the MO(1) remains a central government- funded and controlled(2) service. Too pessimistic! The present orthodoxy will not last for ever. Look, at the non-headline stuff, what is happening on the railways. Eventually we will have BR back, in effect. So with the Met Office. A vague, optimistic feeling? Of course it is. But I would put very little money on 172. More like "200". What odds are you offering, Philip? Tudor Hughes, Warlingham, Surrey. |
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![]() "TudorHgh" wrote in message ... Shame it won't reach 200. Shall we have a sweepstake? I'll start the ball rolling and offer a generous 172. The end comes when no part of the MO(1) remains a central government- funded and controlled(2) service. Too pessimistic! The present orthodoxy will not last for ever. Look, at the non-headline stuff, what is happening on the railways. Eventually we will have BR back, in effect. So with the Met Office. A vague, optimistic feeling? Of course it is. But I would put very little money on 172. More like "200". What odds are you offering, Philip? No odds, Tudor ... it's a sweep. Winner takes all. My tongue, of course, was firmly (if only half) in cheek. Nevertheless I see no argument for a meteorological service of the future to be a nationalised one. Already there are practically no observers in government service, the number of forecasters is diminishing and will continue so to do ... I wonder what the ratio of paperclip-counters to 4B-wielders is now? Investment in research will become increasingly hard to justify as return per research-pound decreases, etc, etc, etc. Philip Eden |
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In message , Philip Eden
writes No odds, Tudor ... it's a sweep. Winner takes all. My tongue, of course, was firmly (if only half) in cheek. Nevertheless I see no argument for a meteorological service of the future to be a nationalised one. Already there are practically no observers in government service, the number of forecasters is diminishing and will continue so to do ... I wonder what the ratio of paperclip-counters to 4B-wielders is now? Investment in research will become increasingly hard to justify as return per research-pound decreases, etc, etc, etc. Philip Eden Oh dear another illusion shattered. Good forecaster you may well be Philip but sadly you seem to be yet another right wing ideologue. Private is best and all that. What a shame. -- Bill |
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"Philip Eden" philipATweatherHYPHENukDOTcom wrote snip
Shame it won't reach 200. Shall we have a sweepstake? I'll start the ball rolling and offer a generous 172. The end comes when no part of the MO(1) remains a central government- funded and controlled(2) service. snip Send your tenners to me! .... no money from me I'm afraid, but I can't disagree with Philip's general diagnosis - both here and in his recent book (Daily Telegraph - Book of the Weather); the 'status quo' surely cannot be maintained - indeed of course, the 'situation' has been creeping through change for some years: another 'change' is about to be 'engineered' as regards the Met Office - sometime later this year. I wonder more though whether greater European integration will also force change - will not someone in the Brussels / Strasbourg 'axis' turn eyes on the great conundrum that is the running of global models from several centres (EC, UKMO, MF, DWD)? Not to mention a sprinkling of local / regional-scale models, driven not necessarily by the former: some provided with boundary data from the GFS for example. There is also the basic MET data provision, collation, analysis & storage question. Do we need this to be split up amongst the nation states? Why not a central organisation funded by the EU? Is this not already the way the Satellite and (perhaps to a lesser extent) the radar observation of our continent is proceeding? Martin. |
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In message , Martin Rowley
writes "Philip Eden" philipATweatherHYPHENukDOTcom wrote snip Shame it won't reach 200. Shall we have a sweepstake? I'll start the ball rolling and offer a generous 172. The end comes when no part of the MO(1) remains a central government- funded and controlled(2) service. snip Send your tenners to me! ... no money from me I'm afraid, but I can't disagree with Philip's general diagnosis - both here and in his recent book (Daily Telegraph - Book of the Weather); the 'status quo' surely cannot be maintained - indeed of course, the 'situation' has been creeping through change for some years: another 'change' is about to be 'engineered' as regards the Met Office - sometime later this year. I wonder more though whether greater European integration will also force change - will not someone in the Brussels / Strasbourg 'axis' turn eyes on the great conundrum that is the running of global models from several centres (EC, UKMO, MF, DWD)? Not to mention a sprinkling of local / regional-scale models, driven not necessarily by the former: some provided with boundary data from the GFS for example. There is also the basic MET data provision, collation, analysis & storage question. Do we need this to be split up amongst the nation states? Why not a central organisation funded by the EU? Is this not already the way the Satellite and (perhaps to a lesser extent) the radar observation of our continent is proceeding? I agree with what you say, Martin. In the current era of European "get-togetherness" it appears increasingly out of step that we have all these overlapping and competing national met services. It would surely be far more cost-efficient to have a single European Weather Service. Norman. (delete "thisbit" twice to e-mail) -- Norman Lynagh Weather Consultancy Chalfont St Giles England |
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![]() "Martin Rowley" wrote in message ... I wonder more though whether greater European integration will also force change - will not someone in the Brussels / Strasbourg 'axis' turn eyes on the great conundrum that is the running of global models from several centres (EC, UKMO, MF, DWD)? Not to mention a sprinkling of local / regional-scale models, driven not necessarily by the former: some provided with boundary data from the GFS for example. There is also the basic MET data provision, collation, analysis & storage question. Do we need this to be split up amongst the nation states? Why not a central organisation funded by the EU? Is this not already the way the Satellite and (perhaps to a lesser extent) the radar observation of our continent is proceeding? Yes, I deliberately avoided mentioning Europe, which was my get out clause ... there'd be an awful lot of politicking, of course, but 20+ years should be enough for this to happen. And why stop at Europe ... why shouldn't global models be run, and their output marketed, on a global basis? Philip Eden |
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![]() "Bill" wrote in message ... Oh dear another illusion shattered. Good forecaster you may well be Philip but sadly you seem to be yet another right wing ideologue. Private is best and all that. LOL ... Wrong on both counts, Bill. Far too old and too lazy to be called a good forecaster, and as for the other, you've no idea how funny that is. Philip Eden |
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