...as well as London and New York according to
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3893389.stm

Jon.

"Jon O'Rourke" wrote in message
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..as well as London and New York according to
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3893389.stm


"On current trends, cities like London, ...... will be among the first
to go."

Aha! So *that's* why Uncle Gordon wants to re-locate Civil Servants out
of London!!!

Martin.


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"Martin Rowley" wrote in message
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3893389.stm


"On current trends, cities like London, ...... will be among the first
to go."

Don't worry, Martin, plenty of high ground (and hill fog) down here for you
to camp out on until the waters recede !

Jon. (240km WSW of London)

When are these idiots going to stop talking such pure rubbish!

First off, one of the only places in Antarctica that is getting warmer is
the Antarctic Peninsula, most of the rest of the continent has been steadily
cooling for quite some time. With reference to Greenland, it is mostly the
coastal areas that are warming, areas high up on the ice pack are cooling.
I would suggest that the only reason we are seeing any melting ice in these
two areas is because of higher SST's.
Additionally, I read a report recently concerning mount Kilimanjaro stating
that: The air temperature at the summit is almost constant at -7c but (
wait for it ) there is less precipitation and the air is dryer now than it
once was. This is the reason the Kilimanjaro ice is melting, not as a
direct result of warming.

Shaun Pudwell,
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"Jon O'Rourke" wrote in message
...

"Martin Rowley" wrote in message
...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3893389.stm


"On current trends, cities like London, ...... will be among the first
to go."

Don't worry, Martin, plenty of high ground (and hill fog) down here for
you
to camp out on until the waters recede !

Jon. (240km WSW of London)

"Shaun Pudwell" wrote in message
...
When are these idiots going to stop talking such pure rubbish!

First off, one of the only places in Antarctica that is getting warmer is
the Antarctic Peninsula, most of the rest of the continent has been steadily
cooling for quite some time. With reference to Greenland, it is mostly the
coastal areas that are warming, areas high up on the ice pack are cooling.
I would suggest that the only reason we are seeing any melting ice in these
two areas is because of higher SST's.
Additionally, I read a report recently concerning mount Kilimanjaro stating
that: The air temperature at the summit is almost constant at -7c but (
wait for it ) there is less precipitation and the air is dryer now than it
once was. This is the reason the Kilimanjaro ice is melting, not as a
direct result of warming.

The warming of the surrounding continent is drying the air and hence
the lack of precipitation on the mountain. The mountain peak itself
cannot warm above the the temperture which is set by the adiabatic
lapse rate and its height above the snow line which is set at 0C. A
little more science and little less dogmatism might not go amiss.

Cheers, Alastair.

"Martin Rowley" wrote in
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Aha! So *that's* why Uncle Gordon wants to re-locate Civil Servants out
of London!!!

Can't you draw dole in London then?



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"Jon O'Rourke" wrote in message
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..as well as London and New York according to
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3893389.stm

Jon.



It's interesting why the Blair Government made Sir David King 'chief
scientific adviser' to their globally renowned government of tosh/slosh tax
and spin. In fact they also, I believe made sure the man was knighted for
his services in 2003.
His CV reads

"Sir David has received a number of awards including: Royal Society of
Chemistry, Medal and Award for Colloid and Surface (he's very good at
scratching the surface)Chemistry, 1978 (UK); Royal Society of Chemistry,
Tilden Lecturer, 1988/89 (UK); British Vacuum Council (that should be very
useful when advising the cabinet), Medal and Award for research,
1991;Procter and Gamble (again useful when dealing with GW soft-soap)1990 "


Okay. far more of a scientist than I'll ever be, but 'chief scientific
advisor' on such topics as GM foods, foot and mouth disease and the biggest
threat of all to the human race 'Global Warming'! Come on he's only been
appointed to justify tax rises under the Fatwah against cars (the ones with
honest drivers anyhow), taxpayers (the ones that work) all under the banner
'fundamentalist environmentalist declare war on those pigs and dogs who use
their cars for nothing but personal use getting to work!.' In essence its
almost a labour fundamentalist version of the Tonyban. Tony ban this, Tony
ban that.
Okay I'm ranting, but let's look at least one, of this motley crew of GW
protagonist.

Ken Zen Livingstone. A man who hates the infidel car owner so much he bans
them (at a price) from the centre of London. He argues the disruption to the
free movement of Londoners and the pollution caused by those anonymous
vehicle drivers, is a price to high to pay! Unless you fork out a fiver of
course, but then the self styled Mullah organises a formula 1 race stunt in
the middle of London causing total traffic disruption and pollution.

Look I'm talking like babbling idiot now. Those that bother to read this
will think I'm plain mad or simply ignorant, ah - that reminds me David
King, that's where I went off the rails.

Come back Michael Meecher El Nino beseecher

"Lawrence" wrote in message
...

Snip..........

Look I'm talking like babbling idiot now. Those that bother to read this
will think I'm plain mad or simply ignorant, ah - that reminds me David
King, that's where I went off the rails.

Come back Michael Meecher El Nino beseecher


Your wish is my command! Here he is writing to the Guardian
along with your other old chum Jihn Gummer. Enjoy;

Time to tackle industrial emissions

Wednesday July 7, 2004
The Guardian

We write as former environment ministers to call upon the government to take
tough measures to tackle the increasing threat of global climate change. The
alarm bells are ringing loud and clear, and cannot be ignored.
Over recent months a panel of leading international scientists have predicted
that climate change may lead to extinction of a quarter of the world's species
by 2050; the World Health Organisation has warned that the health of millions
of people will be damaged if world temperatures continue to rise; and the
government's chief scientific adviser, Sir David King, says that climate
change is a far greater threat to the world than international terrorism.

The prime minister says climate change is the most important environmental
issue facing the world, but he must back his words with firm action. One
important area is industrial emissions. The government's proposals under the
EU emissions trading regime could result in an increase in climate-changing
emissions from industry. This is unacceptable, and sets a dangerous precedent.

Failure to tackle industrial emissions will require much bigger cuts from
other sectors to meet our climate targets. This will include transport and
domestic sectors, both of which have seen carbon dioxide emissions rise over
the past 10 years.

We applaud the prime minister for continuing the UK's leading international
role on climate change, but a failure to take decisive action at home will
undermine the UK's credibility. The EU emissions trading scheme is his big
test - and he must not fail it.
Michael Meacher MP
Labour environment minister 1997-2003
John Gummer MP
Conservative environment minister 1993-97

http://www.oneworld.net/external/?ur...5691%2C00.html

Cheers, Alastair.

"Alastair McDonald" k wrote
in message ...

"Lawrence" wrote in message
...

Snip..........

Look I'm talking like babbling idiot now. Those that bother to read this
will think I'm plain mad or simply ignorant, ah - that reminds me David
King, that's where I went off the rails.

Come back Michael Meecher El Nino beseecher


Your wish is my command! Here he is writing to the Guardian
along with your other old chum Jihn Gummer. Enjoy;

Time to tackle industrial emissions

Wednesday July 7, 2004
The Guardian

We write as former environment ministers to call upon the government to
take
tough measures to tackle the increasing threat of global climate change.
The
alarm bells are ringing loud and clear, and cannot be ignored.
Over recent months a panel of leading international scientists have
predicted
that climate change may lead to extinction of a quarter of the world's
species
by 2050; the World Health Organisation has warned that the health of
millions
of people will be damaged if world temperatures continue to rise; and the
government's chief scientific adviser, Sir David King, says that climate
change is a far greater threat to the world than international terrorism.

The prime minister says climate change is the most important environmental
issue facing the world, but he must back his words with firm action. One
important area is industrial emissions. The government's proposals under
the
EU emissions trading regime could result in an increase in
climate-changing
emissions from industry. This is unacceptable, and sets a dangerous
precedent.

Failure to tackle industrial emissions will require much bigger cuts from
other sectors to meet our climate targets. This will include transport and
domestic sectors, both of which have seen carbon dioxide emissions rise
over
the past 10 years.

We applaud the prime minister for continuing the UK's leading
international
role on climate change, but a failure to take decisive action at home will
undermine the UK's credibility. The EU emissions trading scheme is his big
test - and he must not fail it.
Michael Meacher MP
Labour environment minister 1997-2003
John Gummer MP
Conservative environment minister 1993-97


http://www.oneworld.net/external/?ur...5691%2C00.html

Cheers, Alastair.




Alastair I'm beginning to detect a signal coming from the Blair project.

Alastair Campbell
Alastair Darling
Alastair McDonald !!!!!!!!!!

"Alastair McDonald" k wrote
in message ...

"Lawrence" wrote in message
...

Snip..........

Look I'm talking like babbling idiot now. Those that bother to read this
will think I'm plain mad or simply ignorant, ah - that reminds me David
King, that's where I went off the rails.

Come back Michael Meecher El Nino beseecher


Your wish is my command! Here he is writing to the Guardian
along with your other old chum Jihn Gummer. Enjoy;

Time to tackle industrial emissions

Wednesday July 7, 2004
The Guardian

We write as former environment ministers to call upon the government to
take
tough measures to tackle the increasing threat of global climate change.
The
alarm bells are ringing loud and clear, and cannot be ignored.
Over recent months a panel of leading international scientists have
predicted
that climate change may lead to extinction of a quarter of the world's
species
by 2050; the World Health Organisation has warned that the health of
millions
of people will be damaged if world temperatures continue to rise; and the
government's chief scientific adviser, Sir David King, says that climate
change is a far greater threat to the world than international terrorism.

The prime minister says climate change is the most important environmental
issue facing the world, but he must back his words with firm action. One
important area is industrial emissions. The government's proposals under
the
EU emissions trading regime could result in an increase in
climate-changing
emissions from industry. This is unacceptable, and sets a dangerous
precedent.

Failure to tackle industrial emissions will require much bigger cuts from
other sectors to meet our climate targets. This will include transport and
domestic sectors, both of which have seen carbon dioxide emissions rise
over
the past 10 years.

We applaud the prime minister for continuing the UK's leading
international
role on climate change, but a failure to take decisive action at home will
undermine the UK's credibility. The EU emissions trading scheme is his big
test - and he must not fail it.
Michael Meacher MP
Labour environment minister 1997-2003
John Gummer MP
Conservative environment minister 1993-97


http://www.oneworld.net/external/?ur...5691%2C00.html

Cheers, Alastair.




Alastair. The same John Gummer who publicly ate the the Beef Burgers during
the first BSE scare? Blimey I didn't realise Meacher ate one as well!
Your honour I rest my case.