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Excellent edition, this monthly journal is getting better all the
time. I see we have one of Bernard Burton's satellite pictures towards the back, all in colour. I was interested to read that on the 10th August Southchurch Park (Southend sea front) recorded a max a lot lower than myself, being a couple of miles away from the sea. I must pop down to Southchurch Park and collar the man who takes the readings :-) Keith (Southend) ******************************** 'Weather Home & Abroad' http://www.southendweather.net ******************************** COL Station for Southend-on-Sea http://www.wunderground.com/weathers...p?ID=IESSEXSO1 ******************************** Reply to: kreh'at'southendweather'dot'net All mail scanned for virus's using Norton 2003 On 14 Aug 2004 12:19:15 GMT, (JJCMayes1) wrote: The August issue is a special issue on the summer heatwave and drought of 2003. If any newsgroup members do not receive 'Weather' (dare I insert a 'smiley' here?) - and would like this one - the print run has been extended to allow individual copies to be purchased at £3.95 each. Enquiries can be made to the publishers, the Royal Meteorological Society, at e-mail or give them a call on 0118 9568500. . The issue is 44 pages long and contain the following articles: The August 2003 heatwave in the UK (Stephen Burt) The heatwave in Europe - synoptic diagnosis and impacts (Andreas Fink, et al, Cologne) Factors contributing to the heatwave (Emily Black et al) Hydrological aspects of the drought in the UK (Terry Marsh). Readers may have noticed that Stephen Burt does not accept the UK national temperature record set last year at Faversham. The reasons for this are set out in a further article in the September issue (in which Stephen joins forces with Philip Eden) and this is followed by a reply by the Met Office. regards Julian Julian Mayes, Editor: Weather in a still cloudy Molesey, Surrey - a little blue sky visible over London. . |
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If it is not giving too much away before next month .... can someone say
.... is it *all* maxima from Brogdale that are queried, or just this particular event? Oh thanks Martin! - I'm really going to get into trouble for spilling these beans! I am sure that Philip may have something to say about this, but the Met Office reply quotes daily temps. for August that show that Faversham was anomalously warm just on the 10th rather than adjacent days. Having said that, Philip and Stephen have examined past records and it does seem that high temps. at Faversham (relative to nearby sites) have been more frequent since the station re-opened in 1997. It was closed between 1990 and 1997. I do not know for sure if it is in exactly the same site, but what is clear is that there is a conifer windbreak immediately south of the instrument compound - maybe these were smaller before 1990. Both Ian Currie and I have visited the site and taken photographs (that appear in next month's Weather - and thanks to Ian for letting us use his photograph). It will be interesting to see how people react to the photographic evidence - and the statistical evidence provided by Philip and Stephen of course. I'd better not give anything else away! Julian Julian Mayes, Molesey, Surrey. |
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I am pleased that I am a member of the Royal Met Society. This August issue
of weather is an excellent one with those artciles on last years heatwave. "JJCMayes1" wrote in message ... The August issue is a special issue on the summer heatwave and drought of 2003. If any newsgroup members do not receive 'Weather' (dare I insert a 'smiley' here?) - and would like this one - the print run has been extended to allow individual copies to be purchased at £3.95 each. Enquiries can be made to the publishers, the Royal Meteorological Society, at e-mail or give them a call on 0118 9568500. . The issue is 44 pages long and contain the following articles: The August 2003 heatwave in the UK (Stephen Burt) The heatwave in Europe - synoptic diagnosis and impacts (Andreas Fink, et al, Cologne) Factors contributing to the heatwave (Emily Black et al) Hydrological aspects of the drought in the UK (Terry Marsh). Readers may have noticed that Stephen Burt does not accept the UK national temperature record set last year at Faversham. The reasons for this are set out in a further article in the September issue (in which Stephen joins forces with Philip Eden) and this is followed by a reply by the Met Office. regards Julian Julian Mayes, Editor: Weather in a still cloudy Molesey, Surrey - a little blue sky visible over London. .. |
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I am grateful to Chris who has e-mailed me following my message to say that the
link to the free online issue has a glitch. For anyone who does not subscribe to Weather and wishes to have a look at an online issue free of charge, follow the 'journals' link at www.rmets.org. Follow links to free sample issue; you end up with the December 2002 contents page. Now, a few months ago we decided that we ought to offer the January 2004 issue for free instead (I hope you are all still with me :-) ). This means that the Dec. 2002 issue is no longer free. From that contents page, click on 'all issues list' and then select January 2004 which is clearly marked 'free'. pdfs may take a while to load but they should be in there somewhere. I have asked for the website to be updated so this should be simpler after Monday. Julian Julian Mayes, editor Weather Molesey, Surrey. |
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On 14 Aug 2004 12:19:15 GMT, (JJCMayes1) wrote:
The August issue is a special issue on the summer heatwave and drought of 2003. snip Readers may have noticed that Stephen Burt does not accept the UK national temperature record set last year at Faversham. The reasons for this are set out in a further article in the September issue (in which Stephen joins forces with Philip Eden) and this is followed by a reply by the Met Office. Julian Julian Mayes, Editor: Weather .... you tease Julian ;-) Having to wait a whole month more for the arguments! Have only just finished the first article, and was interested to see that even Wisley is questioned at one point .. this I had wondered about 'operationally' but was assured that everything was OK. Gravesend I think most of us here had doubts about in many instances past. Good to see that the 'record' goes to Kew, even if not the old Observatory! (If it is not giving too much away before next month .... can someone say ..... is it *all* maxima from Brogdale that are queried, or just this particular event?) On the day, as Heathrow had come up with the figure that beat the Cheltenham value, *it* got the credit for being the 'hot-spot', despite our trying to impress upon the media that later values might be higher. They were somewhat 'miffed' when even at the end of that day, higher values NOT at Heathrow did indeed turn up. Little did they know that in fact 'West London' was not far off the truth. Fascinating stuff and all credit to Stephen, Philip and all for the hard work put in. Martin. -- FAQ & Glossary for uk.sci.weather at:- http://homepage.ntlworld.com/booty.weather/uswfaqfr.htm |
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Readers may have noticed that Stephen Burt does not accept the UK national
temperature record set last year at Faversham. The reasons for this are set out in a further article in the September issue (in which Stephen joins forces with Philip Eden) and this is followed by a reply by the Met Office. I remember there being a similar kerfuffle over the 36°C recorded at Plumpton, Sussex in June 1976. (26th, I believe). I seem to remember it was rejected as "high". This seemed rather high-handed to me. It may well have been justifiable, but not on the grounds given. I shall examine Stephen Burt and Philip Eden's arguments next month in the minutest detail but for the moment have an open mind. The important thing is to have a record that is meaningful. Tudor Hughes, Warlingham, Surrey (a paltry 35.9°C on 10/8/03) |
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![]() "JJCMayes1" wrote in message ... It will be interesting to see how people react to the photographic evidence - and the statistical evidence provided by Philip and Stephen of course. I'd better not give anything else away! .... don't worry: am willing to wait another 4 weeks. The issue was fascinating BTW and anyone not being a subscriber to same could do well to take up the offer to purchase a copy. Martin. |
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JJCMayes1 wrote in message ...
:The August issue is a special issue on the summer heatwave and drought of 2003. :If any newsgroup members do not receive 'Weather' ... Problem I have is that I subscribe to "Weather" but do not receive it. I contacted the Subscriptions Department in May as I had not received any issue since January. Replacement copies were sent very kindly and very promptly. However, the problem continued and I did not get the June or July issues either. Once again the office sent me replacements immediately when I enquired. It seems that some RMS journals sent overseas get lost in transit. I always received my copies of "Weather" normally before this year. Colin Youngs Brussels |
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![]() "JJCMayes1" wrote in message ... If it is not giving too much away before next month .... can someone say .... is it *all* maxima from Brogdale that are queried, or just this particular event? Oh thanks Martin! - I'm really going to get into trouble for spilling these beans! I am sure that Philip may have something to say about this, but the Met Office reply quotes daily temps. for August that show that Faversham was anomalously warm just on the 10th rather than adjacent days. snip I should not speak for Stephen without his permission, but I think I can reasonably say that the need for a detailed analysis grew out of Stephen's first paper (the one that has appeared this month) which he kindly sent me draft of for my comments. Stephen grew uncomfortable with the Faversham reading as he wrote his paper but didn't mention it to me. When I saw all the data he had collated I was astonished at the absence of corroboration from adjacent stations (I had until that point been entirely happy to accept the official line ... indeed I had commended it in my newspaper column). Therefore the main purpose of the analysis was to try to determine the representativeness of the single Faversham maximum on August 10. Naturally this involved looking at data from many stations over many years, so we made a few other observations on the data, but only in passing. I don't think there's much point in saying any more until people have had a chance to read the analysis in all its gory detail. I will, of course, be delighted to receive all intelligent, knowledgeable, reasoned criticism (I'm sure Stephen will too) ... we've not had any yet, apart of course from the Editor's input gr Julian ... I'm devising a punishment .... Philip Eden |
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