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Can I suggest that my erstwhile colleagues have a look at the Met Office
web site and the various forecasts on that site? As I type this,
youngsters are dodging the rain under umbrellas and skies are leaden:
contrast that with the various output (after many refresh button pushes
... some of which give different symbols for the same issue time). Also,
if you look at the radar, you will see quite a lot of rain crossing from
the southwest in bands - some of it heavy.

* The national map (labelled 'Daytime' weather) only shows rain
(one-spot at that) over the West Country and D/C: sunshine and cloud mix
father east, with medallions further north. (Hint - have a look at the
latest satellite pictures)

* The regional map for the southeast for 'Daytime' weather shows a mix
of full sunshine and part cloudy/part sun.

* The Bracknell 5-day forecast (remember how may people live in this
area still?), shows sunshine/cloud mix today and strong/full sunshine
for tomorrow ... despite the mention of rain or showers in the
accompanying text.

And if you think I'm being disloyal - not a bit; I am so sad that after
*years* of my complaining, nothing whatsoever has been done about this
....... by your efforts will you be judged.

Martin.





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Can I suggest that my erstwhile colleagues have a look at the Met
Office web site and the various forecasts on that site?


.... well done.

Martin.



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On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 08:09:45 GMT, "Martin Rowley"
wrote:

Can I suggest that my erstwhile colleagues have a look at the Met Office
web site and the various forecasts on that site? As I type this,
youngsters are dodging the rain under umbrellas and skies are leaden:
contrast that with the various output (after many refresh button pushes
.. some of which give different symbols for the same issue time). Also,
if you look at the radar, you will see quite a lot of rain crossing from
the southwest in bands - some of it heavy.

* The national map (labelled 'Daytime' weather) only shows rain
(one-spot at that) over the West Country and D/C: sunshine and cloud mix
father east, with medallions further north. (Hint - have a look at the
latest satellite pictures)

* The regional map for the southeast for 'Daytime' weather shows a mix
of full sunshine and part cloudy/part sun.

* The Bracknell 5-day forecast (remember how may people live in this
area still?), shows sunshine/cloud mix today and strong/full sunshine
for tomorrow ... despite the mention of rain or showers in the
accompanying text.

And if you think I'm being disloyal - not a bit; I am so sad that after
*years* of my complaining, nothing whatsoever has been done about this
...... by your efforts will you be judged.

Martin.



Millions use the BBC site, and will use it for the weather forecast as well.

The site has an attractive postcode selector to enable users to obtain a
forecast for their town or district.

Guess what comes up - the dreaded 5-day summary forecast. Looking at Friday:
Sunny, max 23 degs C as I listen to rain pounding on the tin roof of my
workplace (Coventry). Confidence in BBC forecast - zero. Mr Joe Public shrugs
his shoulders and mutters something to the effect of "they've got all these
fancy computers costing us taxpayers millions, and they can't even get a
forecast for a few hours ahead correct!"

I believe they should drop the 5 day forecasts like a hot potato. My family
look at similar things on teletext and I get tired of telling them that the 5
day forecasts are too brief and of limited value.

Martin (JPG)


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It sounds to me like they are allowing the cumputers to take over and not
having any 'man/woman' input to put some reality into the situation. I guess
Will would blame it on the bean counters !

I'd be interested in any offers :-)

Keith (Southend)

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On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 08:09:45 GMT, "Martin Rowley"
wrote:

Can I suggest that my erstwhile colleagues have a look at the Met Office
web site and the various forecasts on that site? As I type this,
youngsters are dodging the rain under umbrellas and skies are leaden:
contrast that with the various output (after many refresh button pushes
.. some of which give different symbols for the same issue time). Also,
if you look at the radar, you will see quite a lot of rain crossing from
the southwest in bands - some of it heavy.

* The national map (labelled 'Daytime' weather) only shows rain
(one-spot at that) over the West Country and D/C: sunshine and cloud mix
father east, with medallions further north. (Hint - have a look at the
latest satellite pictures)

* The regional map for the southeast for 'Daytime' weather shows a mix
of full sunshine and part cloudy/part sun.

* The Bracknell 5-day forecast (remember how may people live in this
area still?), shows sunshine/cloud mix today and strong/full sunshine
for tomorrow ... despite the mention of rain or showers in the
accompanying text.

And if you think I'm being disloyal - not a bit; I am so sad that after
*years* of my complaining, nothing whatsoever has been done about this
...... by your efforts will you be judged.

Martin.



Millions use the BBC site, and will use it for the weather forecast as

well.

The site has an attractive postcode selector to enable users to obtain a
forecast for their town or district.

Guess what comes up - the dreaded 5-day summary forecast. Looking at

Friday:
Sunny, max 23 degs C as I listen to rain pounding on the tin roof of my
workplace (Coventry). Confidence in BBC forecast - zero. Mr Joe Public

shrugs
his shoulders and mutters something to the effect of "they've got all

these
fancy computers costing us taxpayers millions, and they can't even get a
forecast for a few hours ahead correct!"

I believe they should drop the 5 day forecasts like a hot potato. My

family
look at similar things on teletext and I get tired of telling them that

the 5
day forecasts are too brief and of limited value.

Martin (JPG)




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On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 11:17:42 +0100, JPG wrote in

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Millions use the BBC site, and will use it for the weather forecast as well.

The site has an attractive postcode selector to enable users to obtain a
forecast for their town or district.

snip

My son has just phoned me regarding the BBC site forecast for Kingston,
Jamaica. As we all know a vicious hurricane is heading there right now,
yet for tomorrow the BBC site indicates thunderstorms with a moderate 12mph
south wind.

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On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 13:03:42 +0100, Mike Tullett wrote in


My son has just phoned me regarding the BBC site forecast for Kingston,
Jamaica. As we all know a vicious hurricane is heading there right now,
yet for tomorrow the BBC site indicates thunderstorms with a moderate 12mph
south wind.


The URL would have helped make more sense of that:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/5day.shtml?world=0298

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"Mike Tullett" wrote in message
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On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 13:03:42 +0100, Mike Tullett wrote in


My son has just phoned me regarding the BBC site forecast for Kingston,
Jamaica. As we all know a vicious hurricane is heading there right now,
yet for tomorrow the BBC site indicates thunderstorms with a moderate
12mph
south wind.


The URL would have helped make more sense of that:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/5day.shtml?world=0298


I have given up on official forecasts. No synoptic charts and five foot
temps.

I have used Jacks site for a few years, and am now the unofficial forecaster
down the pub.

BTW, just back from Brum. Checked the radar on the way out and took a
brollie.........there were a lot of wet people in town.


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On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 13:03:42 +0100, Mike Tullett wrote in


My son has just phoned me regarding the BBC site forecast for
Kingston, Jamaica. As we all know a vicious hurricane is heading
there right now, yet for tomorrow the BBC site indicates
thunderstorms with a moderate 12mph
south wind.


The URL would have helped make more sense of that:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/5day.shtml?world=0298


I have given up on official forecasts. No synoptic charts and five
foot temps.

I have used Jacks site for a few years, and am now the unofficial
forecaster down the pub.

BTW, just back from Brum. Checked the radar on the way out and took a
brollie.........there were a lot of wet people in town.


I've emailed 5Live to see what they say (they have been reporting extensively about evacuations of Brits) but I'm not holding my breath!!
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On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 13:03:42 +0100, Mike Tullett wrote in


My son has just phoned me regarding the BBC site forecast for Kingston,
Jamaica. As we all know a vicious hurricane is heading there right now,
yet for tomorrow the BBC site indicates thunderstorms with a moderate 12mph
south wind.


The URL would have helped make more sense of that:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/5day.shtml?world=0298


I would suggest this is indicative of a very large earthquake in the
wings on a rumb line with that storm and some recent quake clusters




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"Mike Tullett" wrote in message
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My son has just phoned me regarding the BBC site forecast for Kingston,
Jamaica. As we all know a vicious hurricane is heading there right now,
yet for tomorrow the BBC site indicates thunderstorms with a moderate

12mph
south wind.


In contrast the TAF for Norman Manley (Jamaica) :-

MKJP 100300Z 100606 08022KT 9999 TS BKN022CB BECMG 0708 09040G50KT 5000 SQ
TSRA BKN016CB BECMG 1214 090130G140KT 3000 SQ +TSRA BKN014CB=

Jon.




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