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On Wednesday, 29 September 2004 00:22:21 UTC+1, Martin Crozier wrote:
"Paul Hyett" wrote in message ... Can you recommend a URL that lists these, as I'm trying to convince a sceptic that the world's temperature *is* rising. There is a project to find these I believe it is being developed by the website Whatsupwiththat. It must be well into it by now as the agencies responsible are getting badly upset and doing a lot to muddy the effort. With the proverbial shower of... https://wattsupwiththat.com/ Also another encyclopaediac effort (from a woman) an investigative-journalist is going through all the IPCC claims and publishing the analysis an Herculian effort requiring help from all over and using double blind safe-guards: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pruTqY_JLcg It depends how much your sceptic knows. There are different ways to measure the world's temperature e.g. the surface record, satellite observations, weather balloon obs but the data all require certain corrections and / or extrapolations such as - in the case of the surface record - corrections for urban heat island effects. The problems come when experts start arguing over whether the corrections are correct or not! The data set for the (satellite measured) monthly mean lower troposphere temperatures is at http://vortex.nsstc.uah.edu/data/msu/t2lt/tltglhmam_5.1 and that shows a global decadal temperature trend of a mere + 0.077 C which may not impress your sceptic overly when he/she recalls some of the scare stories in the media. Your best bet is to concentrate on figures from the surface record that show a much steeper temperature rise so you would do best to use the links that Martin Rowley has provided and try not to get sucked into an argument about why the surface record trend is greatly different to the satellite measured trend and the balloon observed trend (if your sceptic should be aware of this). Anyone who can solve that puzzle conclusively will be on the way to settling the global warming debate. It was the production of the bias in weather stations now rapidly automating so less truth can be leaked as the politics demands. At the moment I believe it is being used against socialist nations by the US Government (whom the Muslims have a case against, sadly involving the deaths of their own children in a short sighted war.) We can only presume the worst as the conditioning desired by the 5 ayes begins to shape all the information they have with the mark of the beast. Pity, that. At the moment I am stifled with my research since I wanted to ask NASA about the SSTs and in doing so found out that they are allowing Michael Mann to get at the data. So it's between a fool and a liar and god. (I think I'm in with a chance since he doesn't bless crooks. Whether he can forgive a foul mouthed verbal abusive remains to be seen.) |
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On Saturday, 25 June 2016 12:57:54 UTC+1, Weatherlawyer wrote:
On Wednesday, 29 September 2004 00:22:21 UTC+1, Martin Crozier wrote: http://vortex.nsstc.uah.edu/data/msu/t2lt/tltglhmam_5.1 and that shows a global decadal temperature trend of a mere + 0.077 C which may not impress your sceptic overly when he/she recalls some of the scare stories in the media. Your best bet is to concentrate on figures from the surface record that show a much steeper temperature rise so you would do best to use the links that Martin Rowley has provided At the moment I am stifled with my research since I wanted to ask NASA about the SSTs and in doing so found out that they are allowing Michael Mann to get at the data. So it's between a fool and a liar and god. (I think I'm in with a chance since he doesn't bless crooks. Whether he can forgive a foul mouthed verbal abusive remains to be seen.) Which brings us to consensus. 6 minutes into the explanation from a racist immigrant/emigrant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTTaXqVEGkU Just to keep the politics topped up. But it does have a lot to do with the Bureau for meteorology and climate change. |
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