I'd rather it was GMT all year, but is anyone going to listen to the
general public?
Tim

I'd rather it was either BST or BST+1 all year. I don't like long dark
evenings and I don't mind dark mornings.

What I really hate, though, is putting the clocks back in autumn. It's so
miserable when you get up in the dark, go to work in the dark, and then it's
dark again before you finish work and can go home. I never used to see
daylight at all from Sunday afternoon until Saturday morning in winter when
I was working, thanks to working 9 to 5.

I simply do not understand why people want to waste the daylight hours
working and have their free time when it's dark.

Anne

Anne

On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 23:09:00 +0100, "Brendan DJ Murphy"
wrote:

I can never understand this argument...
Split times between England and Scotland is just asking for unnecessary
confusion within media and transportation industries.


If the Scots want brighter mornings, then the simple answer is to the
Scotch to get up one hour later!

The solution is simple....
Just get all th Scottish businesses and schools to change their opening
times from 9am to 10am


Everyone wins.

There's a certain illogicality here. Surely the rational thing is to
stick with GMT which, after all, represents our correct time zone, and
if people in England want to enjoy lighter evenings they should start
work an hour earlier.


--
Paul

That would mean sunrise in Inverness at 10 am in late December;
Kirkwall 10.10 am, and Stornoway 10.12 am.
And later still in Lerwick. So? We would lose some daylight in the morning
and gain exactly the same amount in the afternoon. Swings and roundabouts -
except that the extra daylight would coincide with more of the leisure time
of more people.

Of course the real problem is that we are all thirled to the clock, instead
of being able to organise our own lives to use the daylight and the dark as
it best suits us individually.

Maybe that will be one of the benefits of the information revolution/home
working/online commerce and so on!

Anne

"Darren Prescott" wrote in message
...
snip

However, this year as an experiment I've just said "nuts" to the whole
sorry
mess of BST and stuck with GMT throughout (check the headers of this post,
for example).

Interesting. Forecasting wise we (at least in Operations Centre) always work
in a GMT 'environment' but start and finish duties according to local time
so it does have an affect on schedules. The clocks around the room remain in
GMT and cause visitors no end of confusion :-)

Jon.

"SSpiers" wrote in message
...
Lock us in GMT and be done with it?
This Topic comes up every year at around this time. Oh and who is Bill?
;-)

When I first read the header my twisted mind thought a certain B. Giles had
been telling lies again.

Jon.

There's a certain illogicality here. Surely the rational thing is to
stick with GMT which, after all, represents our correct time zone, and
if people in England want to enjoy lighter evenings they should start
work an hour earlier.
Paul

Since clock time is purely arbitrary, the *really* logical thing would be
for all clocks worldwide to show the same time, and for people all over the
world to suit their times of getting up and going to work to suit them,
regardless of what the clock says.

Anne

If the Scots want brighter mornings, then the simple answer is to the
Scotch to get up one hour later!
When we went on to flexitime, I did the exact opposite - I went to work
earlier and left earlier. I missed the rush hour in both direction, I was
able to park my car (which I was obliged to take to work under my contract
of employment) and I was able to go home before the afternoon rush, and even
occasionally in daylight.

The solution is simple....
Just get all th Scottish businesses and schools to change their opening
times from 9am to 10am
Everyone wins

Actually, no. Part of the road safety problem is this mad idea that schools,
shops and offices all have to open at 9 a.m.

It'd be much more sensible to have schools opening at say 8 a.m., offices at
9 a.m. and shops at 10 a.m. That way children would be safely in school and
not available to be run over in the rush hour; and they'd come out of school
long before the afternoon rush hour. And office workers would be able to get
to the shops after work if that's what they want to do.

Anne

In message , Paul C
writes
Split times between England and Scotland is just asking for unnecessary
confusion within media and transportation industries.


Leave it as it is I say. There are always going to be groups with a
special interest in change, but I am sure our settled system has come
about through many many years of collective experience. More gain from
the way it is than through tampering. I too lived through the last
attempt and it was no fun. There seems to have been a lot of
'revisionist' analyses of the problems of the time and some attempt to
say they were not really that bad and would be better this time around.

Summer time kicks in about the right time to allow such things as sports
clubs to get on with evening sessions outdoors in natural light. Any
earlier and there still would not be enough light. Possibly carries on a
bit late though into autumn for these kind of things, but the day length
is still sufficient for most to function normally.

Winter hours are most critical in the north and listening to whiners
from the south banging on about it makes my eyes glaze over. They have
considerably more daylight in both the morning and the evening so it is
a whole heap less critical for them than for the north.

Splitting the UK into time zones? Interesting concept and it would last
a year or two at most. It would cause lots of problems especially in the
logistics industry.

Having a weather and daylight related occupation I normally run my life
by GMT and ignore time changes, but this causes confusion even in my own
household. I get bit annoyed when someone else comes in and changes
clocks that I have been leaving deliberately on GMT (such as in my
trucks) because they think I should work on the same times as everyone
else. (It is only actually important to keep the GMT thinking in the
couple of weeks immediately adjacent to the clock change dates, as
throughout the summer we have heaps of daylight here.)

In winter I come in in the dark, get everything organised at base while
it gets light, off out into the country, and can work till about 4 in
the darkest weeks, back to base, unload, then off home. Fits my life
best, and a change skews it. I suppose that makes me a 'special interest
group' too, but one that says leave well alone.


--
Murray McGregor

Murray McGregor wrote:

Summer time kicks in about the right time to allow such things as
sports clubs to get on with evening sessions outdoors in natural
light. Any earlier and there still would not be enough light.

This doesn't make sense, and is the basis of my gripe about the current
system. If there's enough light at the end of October to avoid putting the
clocks back until then, then there's enough light in mid February to put
them forward. Why wait until the end of March? Or maybe you're suggesting
clocks should go back at the start of September?

KotF

Tim wrote:
In message , Steve
Jones writes

Just read this story:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3732690.stm

I'd rather it was GMT all year, but is anyone going to listen to the
general public?

I really do not care what the time reference is, I just wish that they
would leave it the same all year. It does nothing to change the number
of hours that are daylight and each year I seem to have more clocks to
change.

--
Howard Neil