It's not just kids. In this town, 70% of cyclists don't use lights at
night.
Graham

Here too.

It seems that there is a presumption that if there is an accident involving
a cyclist, it is always the motorists's fault. IMO it should be the other
way round if the cyclist is riding a bike after dark with no lights and is
involved in an accident - after all, any cyclist in that situation is
breaking the law, so why should the driver automatically get the blame?

And I cannot understand why the law allows the sale of cycles which are not
fitted with lights. It won't allow any other vehicle to be sold without them
for use on the public roads - why should cycles be any different?

Anne

Anne Burgess wrote:

It seems that there is a presumption that if there is an accident
involving a cyclist, it is always the motorists's fault. IMO it
should be the other way round if the cyclist is riding a bike after
dark with no lights and is involved in an accident - after all, any
cyclist in that situation is breaking the law, so why should the
driver automatically get the blame?

I'm not aware of any presumption of blame in any RTA.

And I cannot understand why the law allows the sale of cycles which
are not fitted with lights. It won't allow any other vehicle to be
sold without them for use on the public roads - why should cycles be
any different?

Probably because it won't make any difference to the problem. Just because a
bike is sold with lights doesn't ensure that they'll be replaced after being
removed to prevent theft, or that the batteries will be replaced when
exhausted. They're not really like car lights at all...

KotF

It seems that there is a presumption that if there is an accident
involving a cyclist, it is always the motorists's fault. IMO it
should be the other way round if the cyclist is riding a bike after
dark with no lights and is involved in an accident - after all, any
cyclist in that situation is breaking the law, so why should the
driver automatically get the blame?

I'm not aware of any presumption of blame in any RTA.
No, but if the worst happens, just wait and see what the attitude is.

And I cannot understand why the law allows the sale of cycles which
are not fitted with lights. It won't allow any other vehicle to be
sold without them for use on the public roads - why should cycles be
any different?

Probably because it won't make any difference to the problem. Just because
a
bike is sold with lights doesn't ensure that they'll be replaced after
being
removed to prevent theft, or that the batteries will be replaced when
exhausted. They're not really like car lights at all...
No, but people could not use the excuse of 'this bike doesn't have any
lights'. And as for theft - you can get bikes with the lights built into the
handlebars, not just attached, and you can get them with dynamos to power
the lights - mine has, so I have never needed to buy a battery for the bike
lights.

Anne

Personally i disagree with the whole idea, its stupid and a waste of time.
The reason why europe is an hour in front, is because they are an hour in
front in getting the sun's positions in the sky. Why change anything? Its
just an example of MP's having nothing to do and passing no-sensical bills,
don't they have more pressing issues to deal with like the failing NHS and
the Iraq war crisis. The bill will also make mornings darker, so its more
dangerous for children and adults travelling to school or work.

Mike
www.dudleyweather.angelcities.com

"Adrian D. Shaw" wrote in message
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Paul C :
There's a certain illogicality here. Surely the rational thing is to
stick with GMT which, after all, represents our correct time zone, and
if people in England want to enjoy lighter evenings they should start
work an hour earlier.

I sort of agree. But that means businesses would have to work 8-4 (or
7:45-4:15) instead of their current hours. We'd have to persuade the TV
and radio schedulers to bring their programmes forwards an hour (otherwise
people just wouldn't get used to it), we'd have to change our ingrained
thinking about each hour's position in the day, etc.

It's easier to legislate a change to our clocks than to do the above.

Adrian
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