Looking at this table

http://www.climate-uk.com/graphs/200410.htm

This is interesting. The current October is almost on normal track now. The
CET range for October is from 13.3C which was 2001 to just 5.3C which was in
1740.

That record low of 5.3C, does anyone have any idea from historical records
of course what that must have been like? 5.3 is a normal winter month not a
mid autumn one.
I must also point out that the winter that year in 1740 was a real bone
shatterer. It was colder than 1963 and it seems most of that year was very
cold indeed. I still cannot imagine a CET of just over 5 in October.


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1740 has the coldest May in CET records as well, just 8.6C, and by the late
spring there were hardly any common birds such as the Blackbird for they had
found the prolonged winter very tough to survive. Incidentally on October
1st 1740 there were widespread snow showers. The cold weather could be said
to have begun in the early spring of 1739 with penetrating cold north east
winds which `scorched' much spring flowering. However it had been very mild
in winter for much of the 1730s though 1731 sent the mercury down to minus
18C in the London area and there were heavy falls of snow.

Ian Currie-Coulsdon



"Gavin Staples" wrote in message
...

Looking at this table

http://www.climate-uk.com/graphs/200410.htm

This is interesting. The current October is almost on normal track now.
The
CET range for October is from 13.3C which was 2001 to just 5.3C which was
in
1740.

That record low of 5.3C, does anyone have any idea from historical records
of course what that must have been like? 5.3 is a normal winter month not
a
mid autumn one.
I must also point out that the winter that year in 1740 was a real
bone
shatterer. It was colder than 1963 and it seems most of that year was very
cold indeed. I still cannot imagine a CET of just over 5 in October.


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Incredible. I hadn't noticed that May 1740 was also a CET for cold, until I
looked it up following your reply.
Thanks for your comments Ian and I look forward to seeing what the
others on this ng say about this. It is an interesting artcile for
disccussion:-)

Thanks again.

Gavin.



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1740 has the coldest May in CET records as well, just 8.6C, and by the
late
spring there were hardly any common birds such as the Blackbird for they
had
found the prolonged winter very tough to survive. Incidentally on October
1st 1740 there were widespread snow showers. The cold weather could be
said
to have begun in the early spring of 1739 with penetrating cold north east
winds which `scorched' much spring flowering. However it had been very
mild
in winter for much of the 1730s though 1731 sent the mercury down to minus
18C in the London area and there were heavy falls of snow.

Ian Currie-Coulsdon



"Gavin Staples" wrote in message
...

Looking at this table

http://www.climate-uk.com/graphs/200410.htm

This is interesting. The current October is almost on normal track now.
The
CET range for October is from 13.3C which was 2001 to just 5.3C which
was
in
1740.

That record low of 5.3C, does anyone have any idea from historical
records
of course what that must have been like? 5.3 is a normal winter month
not
a
mid autumn one.
I must also point out that the winter that year in 1740 was a real
bone
shatterer. It was colder than 1963 and it seems most of that year was
very
cold indeed. I still cannot imagine a CET of just over 5 in October.


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In message , Gavin
Staples writes
Incredible. I hadn't noticed that May 1740 was also a CET for cold, until I
looked it up following your reply.
Thanks for your comments Ian and I look forward to seeing what the
others on this ng say about this. It is an interesting artcile for
disccussion:-)

Remember, this was in the midst of the "Little Ice Age", an
interstadial, so not exactly comparable with the 21st century in the
middle of an interglacial, but still no where near the climatic optimism
of the Atlantic period.
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Steve Jackson,
Bablake Weather Station,
Coventry, UK
http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/bws

In article ,
Gavin Staples writes:

Looking at this table

http://www.climate-uk.com/graphs/200410.htm

This is interesting. The current October is almost on normal track now.

If I'm interpreting the graphs correctly, then since you'd expect the
second half of the month to be colder than the first half we could well
finish below average.

The
CET range for October is from 13.3C which was 2001 to just 5.3C which was in
1740.

That record low of 5.3C, does anyone have any idea from historical records
of course what that must have been like? 5.3 is a normal winter month not a
mid autumn one.
I must also point out that the winter that year in 1740 was a real bone
shatterer. It was colder than 1963

IIRC the overall CET for Dec-Jan-Feb is almost the same for the two
years (with correction made from the HJulian to the Gregorian calendar
for 1740).

and it seems most of that year was very
cold indeed. I still cannot imagine a CET of just over 5 in October.

ISTR that 1740 has the lowest CET in the series for a calendar year.
--
John Hall
"It is a very sad thing that nowadays there is so little useless
information."
Oscar Wilde (1854-1900)

In message , Steve Jackson
writes
Remember, this was in the midst of the "Little Ice Age", an
interstadial, so not exactly comparable with the 21st century in the
middle of an interglacial, but still no where near the climatic
optimism of the Atlantic period.

That should have been climatic optimum of course:-)
--
Steve Jackson

.... as Ian pointed out, the winters leading up to the 1739/40 bitter
event (and the notably cold year of 1740) were definitely on the 'mild'
side. Three of them 1733/34, 1736/37 and 1738/39 were notably mild with
average CET (Dec/Jan/Feb) values of 6.1, 5.6 and 5.6 respectively ...
around or a bit more than 2C above the all-series average. A quick look
at the whole series (only where given to nearest tenth, since 1699)
shows that using 5.6 as a threshold, there were only 25 such events.

If there had been a newsgroup at the end of the winter of 1738/39, no
doubt there would have been a clutch of posts along the lines of ..... "
we won't see cold winters in our lifetime " ;-)

Martin.


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