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Gavin Staples wrote:
"Graham P Davis" wrote in message ... A few days after the event, I was chatting to someone about it and he said he'd slept through it. After dawn, when he finally began to surface, he felt something tickling his face. He brushed it away but it came back to tickle him again. This repeated for a while until he opened his eyes to see that it was leaves brushing his face. These leaves were attached to a tree which had crashed through his bedroom window. Graham Bracknell And he slept through that. My goodness! An explanation might be gained by expanding your comment to re-create the old advertising slogan: "My goodness! My Guinness!" Graham |
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![]() Just a request here, did anyone on this ng experience this? If so what was it like where you lived? I was living in Australia at the time and missed it. Gavin Staples. Leaving a friend's house in Bembridge on the east of Isle of Wight on the evening of 15th October 1987, I remarked that 'it was getting a bit windy'. Needless to say, she hasn't let me forget those words to this day. Hampton, Middlesex: a clear recollection of the evening before the storm there was that it was still and remarkably warm, with a strikingly balmy feel to the night - quite unlike mid-October, and a group of us remarked about it at the time - with a backdrop of frog noises from the Longford River. That evening was very much detached from the following morning. Having slept through the storm, the wind had faded when I woke to no electricity - the radio was functioning but the room darker than it should be ... the bedside light's fused? Ah, so is the kitchen light ... and the kettle ... before the penny dropped that it was a power cut seemingly across the entire south east (a sister living on the slopes of the Epsom Downs who had been evacuated by the emergency services after a falling tree mangled a gas main, spoke later about the sky lit for some time by a wild discharge of power from major switchgear many miles away) Back at home, the semi-darkness on waking was caused by a lilac which had come to rest against the flat's window. Exploring immediate surroundings, many mature trees were down across the local roads. Despite this, a few people wished for the previous reality fervently enough to actually wait at bus stops to travel to work - when it was patently obvious that buses together with everything else were at a stand for the time being. There was enough damage to imply that a daytime event would have been a very major catastrophe. Working with boats at the time, we were apprehensive of the state of things at work, backed by big plane trees. Those, though, were intact, and the solitary 'Incident' was a particular Thames skiff, 24 feet long, that had been upside down and six feet up on a stack of boats, had been picked up, spun through 360 degrees in mid air, had received one tell tale impact in the process before going through another 180 degrees and somehow set down moderately gently on flat ground, as the thing was undamaged save for a small telltale puncture. Not so some parts of Bushy Park, where an entire small wood was more or less mangled as though by a punch - very much worse than other damage despite the mass of trees there that should have offered some mutual support. The reason I heard later was that wind speeds some distance above ground were far more severe, and that when turbulence brought one of these gusts to ground level this resulted in the patchy damage. In this case the wood had been in the wrong place at the wrong time and most of the trees were sheared off or badly mauled. The following Monday was 'Black Monday' in the city of course, and it's impossible not to suspect that the weather may have made a small contribution to the behaviour of the City of London's finances not to mention the rest of the world's. I'm sure the experts would disagree ... |
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I still have a 30 minute tape somewhere(audio) of the wind noise. I was in
Basildon in Essex and awoke in the night as my window seemed to be bulging in - when i realised what was going on and the noise it was making I taped it on my recorder - there are some great noises and lots of me swearing as I was living in a bedsit 3 floors up on the exposed SW of the town and we were getting battered - all the walls had collapsed as far as I could see (10 foot brick ones) and there was no power. The next day I had to walk to work picking my way around all the debris - I worked at the local housing office and it was a busy day what with whole gable ends blowing down. I remember the walls all being down more than the trees, thats living in a new town for you. The fact that I taped the wind that night never fails to make people think I am a crackpot, but then they don't have the 1987 "hurricane" on audio - hoho "Mark Annand" wrote in message et... Just a request here, did anyone on this ng experience this? If so what was it like where you lived? I was living in Australia at the time and missed it. Gavin Staples. Leaving a friend's house in Bembridge on the east of Isle of Wight on the evening of 15th October 1987, I remarked that 'it was getting a bit windy'. Needless to say, she hasn't let me forget those words to this day. Hampton, Middlesex: a clear recollection of the evening before the storm there was that it was still and remarkably warm, with a strikingly balmy feel to the night - quite unlike mid-October, and a group of us remarked about it at the time - with a backdrop of frog noises from the Longford River. That evening was very much detached from the following morning. Having slept through the storm, the wind had faded when I woke to no electricity - the radio was functioning but the room darker than it should be ... the bedside light's fused? Ah, so is the kitchen light ... and the kettle ... before the penny dropped that it was a power cut seemingly across the entire south east (a sister living on the slopes of the Epsom Downs who had been evacuated by the emergency services after a falling tree mangled a gas main, spoke later about the sky lit for some time by a wild discharge of power from major switchgear many miles away) Back at home, the semi-darkness on waking was caused by a lilac which had come to rest against the flat's window. Exploring immediate surroundings, many mature trees were down across the local roads. Despite this, a few people wished for the previous reality fervently enough to actually wait at bus stops to travel to work - when it was patently obvious that buses together with everything else were at a stand for the time being. There was enough damage to imply that a daytime event would have been a very major catastrophe. Working with boats at the time, we were apprehensive of the state of things at work, backed by big plane trees. Those, though, were intact, and the solitary 'Incident' was a particular Thames skiff, 24 feet long, that had been upside down and six feet up on a stack of boats, had been picked up, spun through 360 degrees in mid air, had received one tell tale impact in the process before going through another 180 degrees and somehow set down moderately gently on flat ground, as the thing was undamaged save for a small telltale puncture. Not so some parts of Bushy Park, where an entire small wood was more or less mangled as though by a punch - very much worse than other damage despite the mass of trees there that should have offered some mutual support. The reason I heard later was that wind speeds some distance above ground were far more severe, and that when turbulence brought one of these gusts to ground level this resulted in the patchy damage. In this case the wood had been in the wrong place at the wrong time and most of the trees were sheared off or badly mauled. The following Monday was 'Black Monday' in the city of course, and it's impossible not to suspect that the weather may have made a small contribution to the behaviour of the City of London's finances not to mention the rest of the world's. I'm sure the experts would disagree ... |
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![]() "Brian Blair" wrote in message ... I still have a 30 minute tape somewhere(audio) of the wind noise. .... and I still have a somewhat longer tape of the outgoing radio broadcasts from LWC/High Holborn on that morning - I shan't easily forget that couple of days - had to sleep on the floor of the Conference Room against the sound of the emergency generator in the basement .. then do the next night duty with effectively no sleep. Martin. |
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![]() "Dave Ludlow" wrote in message ... On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 13:08:17 -0000, "Philip Eden" Highest hourly means and gusts (in knots) we Shoreham-by-Sea 74/98 Langdon Bay 56/94 Highest 10-minute winds (not a complete list): Royal Sovereign 75kn Lee-on-Solent 70 Langdon Bay 62. It looks like the highest 10 minute mean wind speeds probably occurred on the Sussex coast and at least two places on the mainland recorded mean wind speeds of hurricane force. If we convert 10 minute means to to 1 minute mean wind speeds ("sustained" winds as used by the US National Hurricane Center) and apply the 0.88 conversion factor used in the US (65kn -- 57kn), at least one inland place (Herstmonceux) and most of the South Coast from the Isle of Wight and Portsmouth eastwards probably experienced hurricane force winds that night. That, for me, settles the "hurricane" debate. From the layman's point of view, The Great Storm was a hurricane. ![]() -- Dave That's how I feel about it. Although the technical composition of the depression was not a hurricane. We all know on this ng what a hurricane is made up of. The fact we had sustained wind speeds of hurricane force and had the damage that was well in the category of what is experienced in a hurricane (just ask those in Florida). Well that in my view fully justifies the term The October 1987 Hurricane. Gavin |
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![]() "Graham P Davis" wrote in message ... Gavin Staples wrote: "Graham P Davis" wrote in message ... A few days after the event, I was chatting to someone about it and he said he'd slept through it. After dawn, when he finally began to surface, he felt something tickling his face. He brushed it away but it came back to tickle him again. This repeated for a while until he opened his eyes to see that it was leaves brushing his face. These leaves were attached to a tree which had crashed through his bedroom window. Graham Bracknell And he slept through that. My goodness! An explanation might be gained by expanding your comment to re-create the old advertising slogan: "My goodness! My Guinness!" Graham :-) Gavin. |
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In message , Richard
Dixon writes Richard, I was on night shift so followed every detail. There was tropical air involved - whether that makes it a 'Hurricane' I really don't know. Bracknell made a mistake and the intervention forecaster was at the root of it. On the military side a 140KT gradient was forecast (reduction for curvature negated that to a point). The forecast was based on the then coarse mesh while the fine mesh ran the low from Biscay into Holland. There was no damage to military installations - and I certainly had all Tornados off the pan and into hangers. Thank heavens the Office got it wrong otherwise everyone in the south would have been outside tying down caravans etc. The death toll would then have been near 100 rather than the 13 with them all safely tucked up in their beds. Cheers Paul -- 'Wisest are they that know they do not know.' Socrates. Paul Bartlett FRMetS |
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