"Jim Webster" wrote in message
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Whilst there probably are people in global warming denial, there are
others
who are perfectly willing to accept that global warming is happening, but
doubt just how much impact humanity is having on the process.

Jim Webster



I go along with the idea that warming is taking place but I am sceptical
with regard to the assertions that humans are entirely responsible. The
warming period at the moment is just part of natures processes just like the
one in the early middle ages which allowed grapes to be grown in Scotland.
There was a huge fig orchard in Canterbury which had an abundance of figs on
it.
We have had much warmer periods than the present in the past 1,000 years
let alone 2,000 and there was little if any man made activities around then.
The hysterics over the average temperature figures are damned
ridiculous. When CET figures commenced in 1659 we are going into, "the
little ice age" which lasted well into the middle of the 19th century. When
I hear so called scientists saying for example that this year 2004 will be
the fourth warmest on record, for God sakes so what.
With regard to the use of fossil fuels, technology will ensure that we
move on to less polluting and easier to process fuels as part of the natural
process of human science.
Let it not be forgotten that the stone age did not end due to a shortage
of stones. The oil age will not end due to a shortage of oil either.

Gavin.

James Hurrell wrote:
Here, he would get filtered (Thunderbird 1) ... such a nice phrase ...
but I didn't do it because he wasn't sufficiently annoying (:


I couldn't help noticing that you are using TB 1.0 for news Gianna - I too
use this on my home PC (not here at work we're limited to OE) and I like it
a lot, but I'm having trouble setting it up with a newsserver that requires
authentication (it's the work newsserver and it works fine with OE). In OE,
you simply tell it "My server requires me to log in" and then enter your
username + password - however, I can't find anywhere to do this in TB 1.0.

When I have gone through the setup process for the newsgroup in TB, it gets
displayed correctly, but then when i go to the option "Manage Newsgroup
Subscriptions" all I get is a box asking me to input my username... so I
input my domain\username and click OK... I then get a permission denied,
most probably because I haven't specified a password...

Any ideas? TB works brilliantly with my ISP's newserver, but this doesn't
require a login... Any help would be much appreciated.

Try:-

Tools\Account Settings\Server Settings (under your news server title)
and tick "Always request authentication when connecting to this server"

--
Howard Neil

"Gavin Staples" wrote in message
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"Jim Webster" wrote in message
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"Col" wrote in message
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"Alan Gardiner" wrote in message
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Whilst there probably are people in global warming denial, there are
others
who are perfectly willing to accept that global warming is happening,
but
doubt just how much impact humanity is having on the process.

Jim Webster



I go along with the idea that warming is taking place but I am sceptical
with regard to the assertions that humans are entirely responsible. The
warming period at the moment is just part of natures processes just like
the
one in the early middle ages which allowed grapes to be grown in Scotland.
There was a huge fig orchard in Canterbury which had an abundance of figs
on
it.
We have had much warmer periods than the present in the past 1,000
years
let alone 2,000 and there was little if any man made activities around
then.
The hysterics over the average temperature figures are damned
ridiculous. When CET figures commenced in 1659 we are going into, "the
little ice age" which lasted well into the middle of the 19th century.
When
I hear so called scientists saying for example that this year 2004 will be
the fourth warmest on record, for God sakes so what.
With regard to the use of fossil fuels, technology will ensure that
we
move on to less polluting and easier to process fuels as part of the
natural
process of human science.
Let it not be forgotten that the stone age did not end due to a
shortage
of stones. The oil age will not end due to a shortage of oil either.

Gavin.


Gavin, can you point me to ANY reputable scientist who thinks that we're
'entirely responsible' for the warming we've seen? Fact is...there isn't
one!

As to future warming, I think it's fair to say we are having an increasing,
and probably dominating, effect on the global climate. (and you can't say
'We have had much warmer periods than the present in the past 1000 years'
either because you simply don't know with enough certainty to state that. We
*might* have had warmer periods, but the evidence is it's unlikely, *more
likely* is that this is the warmest period here this milennia.

BTW there's no need to get hysterical about the CET . Fact is this year
will most likely be the fouth warmest since at least 1659.

However, I do think you are right about oil. Oil isn't going to run out, if
it gets scarce the price will rise.

Africans and Indians will not want 4 by 4s too?

Given my limited experience of West African roads.... Yes!

Richard Webb







I think you might find that there are already plenty of 4x4s in West Africa
already, the trouble is most of them have heavy duty machine guns mounted on
the back.

Try:-

Tools\Account Settings\Server Settings (under your news server title)
and tick "Always request authentication when connecting to this server"

Thanks Howard.. tried that, I receive a dialog box that asks me to input a
username, but not a password... so i still get permission denied... there is
also a tick box that says "Use Password Manager to remeber this value"...
ticking that seems to do nothing...

I feel i'm missing something quite simple...

Gavin Staples wrote:

"Jim Webster" wrote in message
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"Col" wrote in message
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"Alan Gardiner" wrote in message
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Whilst there probably are people in global warming denial, there are
others
who are perfectly willing to accept that global warming is happening, but
doubt just how much impact humanity is having on the process.

I go along with the idea that warming is taking place but I am sceptical
with regard to the assertions that humans are entirely responsible.

But humans are not *entirely* responsible. About half of the global
warming experienced over the past 120 years can be explained by changes
in the effective solar constant. The remainder *CANNOT*. Even GW sceptic
scientists concede this much. The worrying thing is that most of the
anthropogenic component is clustered in the last few decades of the
twentieth century and it is continuing to accelerate.

warming period at the moment is just part of natures processes just like the
one in the early middle ages which allowed grapes to be grown in Scotland.
There was a huge fig orchard in Canterbury which had an abundance of figs on
it.

There are viable fig trees even today in Sheffield and at least as far
north as Ripon. They only need warmth for the seeds to germinate and
once established they crop pretty well most summers even in Yorkshire.

Incidentally where exactly were these vineyards in Scotland? It has the
smell of an urban legend - it is just far too wet in winter up there and
nothing remotely like a suitable continental climate.

We have had much warmer periods than the present in the past 1,000 years
let alone 2,000 and there was little if any man made activities around then.

The sun is a variable star. The Earth's orbital elements evolve with
time as determined by astronomy and correlated with climate by
Milankovich (sp). But you cannot invoke natural variation to explain
everything - the solar constant is measured directly by too many
independent satellites now (and for the past few decades).

Let it not be forgotten that the stone age did not end due to a shortage
of stones. The oil age will not end due to a shortage of oil either.

I suspect it will. The wood age on some Pacific islands ended extremely
miserably for the inhabitants when they ran out of trees. Overfishing is
another example where lifestyles are crucified by failure to understand
finite resources.

I reckon the moment that House of Saud falls and dirt cheap oil is a
thing of the past the world will plummet into a deep deep recession. On
the positive side it will slow down fossil fuel usage

Regards,
Martin Brown

James Hurrell wrote:
Try:-

Tools\Account Settings\Server Settings (under your news server title)
and tick "Always request authentication when connecting to this server"


Thanks Howard.. tried that, I receive a dialog box that asks me to input a
username, but not a password... so i still get permission denied... there is
also a tick box that says "Use Password Manager to remeber this value"...
ticking that seems to do nothing...

I feel i'm missing something quite simple...


Well, I've had a good look round and can find no obvious way although it
would seem daft not to allow this. I can only suggest posting to a
MozillaZine Forum and asking. Someone should have an answer. There are
two suitable forums (AFAICT):-

Thunderbird General

http://savanna.mozillazine.org/viewf...94199c9 68a2f

and Thunderbird Features

http://savanna.mozillazine.org/viewforum.php?f=30


--
Howard Neil

Well, I've had a good look round and can find no obvious way although it
would seem daft not to allow this. I can only suggest posting to a
MozillaZine Forum and asking. Someone should have an answer. There are
two suitable forums (AFAICT):-

Thunderbird General


http://savanna.mozillazine.org/viewf...94199c9 68a2f

and Thunderbird Features

http://savanna.mozillazine.org/viewforum.php?f=30

Thanks Howard, I have posted there already - with no results... I feel it
may be the news server I'm trying to connect to. I added news.individual.net
which also requires authentication and I got the same username dialog, but
then immediately after I got the same dialog but requesting a password - hey
presto all works.

Apart from this, I do like TB.

James Hurrell wrote:

Thanks Howard, I have posted there already - with no results... I feel it
may be the news server I'm trying to connect to. I added news.individual.net
which also requires authentication and I got the same username dialog, but
then immediately after I got the same dialog but requesting a password - hey
presto all works.

Ah, interesting.

Just a shot in the dark here. Could you, at some time in the past, have
entered a (wrong) password for this site?

Try:- Tools\Options\Advanced\Saved Passwords\View Saved Passwords. Have
a look and see if there is a password set for the server. If so, delete
it and you should be asked for it next time you log on to it.

If this does not work, I can only suggest contacting the server admin to
see if they have any ideas.

--
Howard Neil

In article ,
Martin Brown writes:
Incidentally where exactly were these vineyards in Scotland? It has the
smell of an urban legend - it is just far too wet in winter up there
and nothing remotely like a suitable continental climate.

Figure 65 in HH Lamb's "Climate, History and the Modern World" maps the
known medieval vineyard sites in England. I think we can assume that had
any been known in Scotland they would have been shown. (Of course, that
book was written a couple of decades ago, and it is possible that some
may have been discovered more recently.) There are a lot of vineyards
south of 53N (the latitude of The Wash) but only 3 small ones north of
that, and nothing north of 54N(roughly the latitude of Leeds).

Having said that, I suspect that some areas in the rain shadow of the
Scottish mountains would have been dry enough. Whether they would have
been warm enough or sunny enough in summer is another matter.
--
John Hall

"I am not young enough to know everything."
Oscar Wilde (1854-1900)