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![]() "John Hall" wrote in message ... In article , Martin Brown writes: Incidentally where exactly were these vineyards in Scotland? It has the smell of an urban legend - it is just far too wet in winter up there and nothing remotely like a suitable continental climate. Figure 65 in HH Lamb's "Climate, History and the Modern World" maps the known medieval vineyard sites in England. I think we can assume that had any been known in Scotland they would have been shown. (Of course, that book was written a couple of decades ago, and it is possible that some may have been discovered more recently.) There are a lot of vineyards south of 53N (the latitude of The Wash) but only 3 small ones north of that, and nothing north of 54N(roughly the latitude of Leeds). The aspect which so many people forget when using this as a 'denialist' argument is the economic one. No-one would dream of setting up a seriously-sized vineyard in the 21st century without an expectation that it would be economically viable ... in other words it would have to provide a substantial crop of usable grapes in at least 8 years out of ten. Such exigencies did not apply in the 12th and 13th centuries. You could undoubtedly grow vines in a walled garden in, say, the Carse o'Gowrie (between Perth and Dundee) which is widely known for its soft fruit production, and they would probably have ripened in six out of ten years in the 1990s, but who in their right mind would grub up acres of profitable raspberries, loganberries, gooseberries, etc, to plant a vineyard? (Not for another 30 years anyway). Philip Eden |
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In message , Alastair McDonald
k writes [snip] We might end up with a lot more yuppies driving around in 4 by 4s and SUVs (these passenger pickup trucks are even appearing here now!) burning more fuel and asking for more of Britain to become tarmac. Having just returned from Vancouver Island (British Columbia, Canada) two things were noticeable; 1. 4x4 trucks everywhere, though there may be better reasons for them over there 2. the expected snow has not appeared and the ski slopes are not all open Now whether these two observations are linked is still an item of debate :-) On the other hand some of the weather was very interesting indeed. Particularly the cloud and mist patterns that formed on calm days and the variation over relatively short distances. For example you would only have to travel about 100 miles to get well below zero at the same altitude. For those who dislike the TV presenters who say things like "brrrrrr, it's chilly" at least the Canadians had a good excuse when warning for -46C in Toronto when adding wind chill to a still air temperature of about -30C. Having experienced -35C (still air) it is indeed a "bit nippy". -- Tim http://www.stopharlownorth.com/ |
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