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"Jim Green" "nospam !!!" wrote in message
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I have been a lurker here for a couple of years and I am truly
astonished about some of the participants obsession with cold spells.
The excitement and anticipation seems very strange to me, who the hell
wants a cold spell? Otherwise I can see no advantages only problems for:
drivers, homeless people, the elderly who are too afraid to turn their
heating up.



Please include in your replies some advantages of a cold spell. I can
think of none.


With the advent of Christmas there is one very obvious advantage
of cold and snow. How will Santa manage to bring the toys to the
children if there is no ice for his sledge? The cost in replacement
runners needed because of wear on the tarmac, which seem to
be spreading at an alarming rate over the surface of this once green
and pleasant land, must surely outweigh the hospital bills of those
grannies whose tea trays hit obstacles and eject their occupants!

Besides, as Mike has pointed out, it brings back a touch of nostalgia
for those days in the sixties when snow was snow, and girls wore
stockingsgrin

Cheers, Alastair.



Jim





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While John Hall still hasn't realised that cold weather here in winter
is usually a spell with little precipitation:

Some of us still retain a child-like delight in snow, and the way it
transforms an otherwise boring vista into a thing of beauty. Since our
wishing for snow has no effect whatsoever on whether it will occur, we
surely don't need to feel guilty about wishing for it.

..... It is still a matter of debate and location about the saw: "Too
warm to snow"

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JPG and Martin Rowley of course displayed their usual magnaminity,
about which the least said the better.

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Gianna Stefanni expressed strong views for someone who chooses to live
in a sheltered part of one of the UK's wildest regions:

you have successfully missed the whole point.
Collecting the data, analysing them and identifying patterns in them IS

the interesting point.


(That and the fact that winters cold spell are the same as summers hot
ones, another cool/hot topic here)

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It took a dour Scot to bring a toutch of reality though:

it brings back a touch of nostalgia
for those days in the sixties when snow was snow, and girls wore
stockings and took them off at the end of the year (if they believed in
fairies) (grim)

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In article .com,
Weatherlawyer writes:
While John Hall still hasn't realised that cold weather here in winter
is usually a spell with little precipitation:

Some of us still retain a child-like delight in snow, and the way it
transforms an otherwise boring vista into a thing of beauty. Since our
wishing for snow has no effect whatsoever on whether it will occur, we
surely don't need to feel guilty about wishing for it.


Not at all. I went on to point out that cold weather is most often dry
weather, so that one advantage of a cold winter may be that the risk of
flooding is less. I mentioned snow because most people here seem to be
snow enthusiasts rather than keen on cold weather for its own sake.


.... It is still a matter of debate and location about the saw: "Too
warm to snow"


Not much debate about that. "Too cold to snow" is a different matter.

Of course, the colder the air, the less moisture it can contain. But
colder on the ground is not always the same thing as colder at the
altitude from which the snow is falling.
--
John Hall "He crams with cans of poisoned meat
The subjects of the King,
And when they die by thousands G.K.Chesterton:
Why, he laughs like anything." from "Song Against Grocers"
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On 16 Dec 2004 04:32:42 -0800, "Weatherlawyer"
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JPG and Martin Rowley of course displayed their usual magnaminity,
about which the least said the better.


I'm the soul of magnanimity, Michael. I might have been less than magnanimous
to your good self when you first appeared on the scene but you have since made
some good posts (and points) and I now enjoy your contributions and I feel
somewhat guilty for having been so churlish. Mr Green's post was almost wholly
negative. To (allegedly) lurk and then introduce yourself with an "ad hominess"
rant is bad form in my book.

The longer he fails to reply to any of the many responses to his post the closer
he becomes to being a troll.

Martin



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On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 08:56:28 +0000, JPG wrote:

On 16 Dec 2004 04:32:42 -0800, "Weatherlawyer"
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JPG and Martin Rowley of course displayed their usual magnaminity,
about which the least said the better.

Mr Green's post was almost wholly
negative. To (allegedly) lurk and then introduce yourself with an "ad hominess"
rant is bad form in my book.



I should know not to try and be a smartarse and use Latin phrases as the old
spell-chequer usually mangles it. I meant "ad hominem" (against the person).


Martin




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While John Hall still hasn't realised that cold weather here in winter
is usually a spell with little precipitation:

Some of us still retain a child-like delight in snow, and the way it
transforms an otherwise boring vista into a thing of beauty. Since our
wishing for snow has no effect whatsoever on whether it will occur, we
surely don't need to feel guilty about wishing for it.

..... It is still a matter of debate and location about the saw: "Too
warm to snow"

****
JPG and Martin Rowley of course displayed their usual magnaminity,
about which the least said the better.

****
Gianna Stefanni expressed strong views for someone who chooses to live
in a sheltered part of one of the UK's wildest regions:

you have successfully missed the whole point.
Collecting the data, analysing them and identifying patterns in them IS

the interesting point.


(That and the fact that winters cold spell are the same as summers hot
ones, another cool/hot topic here)

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It took a dour Scot to bring a toutch of reality though:

it brings back a touch of nostalgia
for those days in the sixties when snow was snow, and girls wore
stockings and took them off at the end of the year (if they believed in
fairies) (grim)

****

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Jim,

Wrong forum mate.
Try putting it in TWO

There are only a small number of posts in the manner you speak of here

Anyone checked out Metcheck's website recently.

Try the feedback pages.

No direct email address, it's one of those forms to fill out on the
webpage, and you need to give a reason for emailing.

Check out those options.

'i love metcheck' and 'leave a praise message for metcheck'
but no
'i hate metcheck' or 'leave points of critism' options
Bond, you are arrogant !!

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"BlueLightning" wrote in message
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Jim,

Wrong forum mate.
Try putting it in TWO

There are only a small number of posts in the manner you speak of here

Anyone checked out Metcheck's website recently.

Try the feedback pages.

No direct email address, it's one of those forms to fill out on the
webpage, and you need to give a reason for emailing.

Check out those options.

'i love metcheck' and 'leave a praise message for metcheck'
but no
'i hate metcheck' or 'leave points of critism' options
Bond, you are arrogant !!


And you are either a boring idiot or you have some sort of mental problem.
Probably both.



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Weather lawyer wrote:
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Gianna Stefanni expressed strong views for someone who chooses to live
in a sheltered part of one of the UK's wildest regions:

you have successfully missed the whole point.
Collecting the data, analysing them and identifying patterns in them IS
the interesting point.


I expressed a view ... not sure that I did so in a way that would
classify it as a 'strong' view.

I do indeed live here from choice. There were several key factors in
making that decision. One of these was the warmth, kindness, and
generosity of the indigenous population, while another was ... the
weather. I spent many happy hours researching the averages for the last
30 years, as well as (then) current data, before leaping into the
housing market. I particularly remember coming to view my present
habitat ... a fleet of fifteen gritters and snow-ploughs were fighting
to keep the A90 open during a blizzard(that is one vehicle for every 2
miles or so) as I drove up from Aberdeen ... various vehicles had
slithered off the road and down banks into fields. Happily mine was not
among them.

Much the same as northern Italy then ... home from home.

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Gianna Stefani
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