"Jim Smith" wrote in message
.. .
I've seen the summer of 1954 described as "the year without a summer" in
the past.
Just how bad was it? As bad as, say, 1985 or 1986? Or even worse than
that?
Any articles/anecdotal bits and pieces floating around?

Jim

The temperature at Kew reached 80f on only 2 days in1954 - 27 May and 1
September. I had tickets for the first 3 days of the Lord's Test Match in
June 1954 ( the first ever Test match between England and Pakistan) and
saw no cricket at all because of the rain.I believe it was the first
occasion that the first 3 days of a Lord's Test had been rained off. The
only action Isaw was players such as Len Hutton, Denis Compton and Alec
Bedser strolling out to look at the wicket carrying umbrellas! One
newspaper described Lord's as looking like a beach with the tide out!.
Peter Clarke
Ewell
Epsom

Michael Mcneil wrote:
"Edmund Lewis" wrote in message
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Michael Mcneil wrote:
"Philip Eden" philipATweatherHYPHENukDOTcom wrote in message


http://www.climate-uk.com/Hotdays.htm

I can see a 20-odd year cycle in there too but the 50-odd is not
obvious.

What 20-year cycle can you see then, Michael? I can't see anything of
that kind, the only tendency I see is a lack of years with less than 60
hot days in the last decade and a half.

It is only very roughly 20 years.

Overlay http://www.climate-uk.com/EWSI.htm on the above link.

By the way bear in mind interference patterns where cycles overlap. Like
the nodes in accoustics. With the ideal conditions two opposite nodes
will sometimes cancel each other out, sometimes work to increase the
wave height or trough depth.

(Which explains the missing snow for around 2001.)

There does seem to be a solar max min cycle

As in sunspots? I'm familiar with the theories that they affect the
weather, I thought the sunspot cycle was 11 years?

linked to the period of
lunar nodes. (Lunar nodes are periods when the combination of the 5
degree difference of the lunar orbit combines with the eccliptic to
produce declinations of 23 1/2 degrees plus or minus 5 degrees.*


So are you saying that the declination of the moon (which I know can be
more than 23 1/2, up to about 29 north and south), combines with the
sunspot cycle to produce hot/cold weather? If so, how? (And what type
of weather do various alignments produce?)



Edmund

On 6 Jun 2005 05:25:14 -0700, Edmund Lewis wrote in
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As in sunspots? I'm familiar with the theories that they affect the
weather, I thought the sunspot cycle was 11 years?

I believe there is what is called the double sunspot cycle - related to a
reversal of the sun's magnetic poles - of about 22-23 years. When some
climate data are analysed that can be quite a strong signal.

linked to the period of
lunar nodes. (Lunar nodes are periods when the combination of the 5
degree difference of the lunar orbit combines with the eccliptic to
produce declinations of 23 1/2 degrees plus or minus 5 degrees.*


So are you saying that the declination of the moon (which I know can be
more than 23 1/2, up to about 29 north and south), combines with the
sunspot cycle to produce hot/cold weather? If so, how? (And what type
of weather do various alignments produce?)

The lunar nodal cycle has a length of 18.6 years and such a cycle length
(real or otherwise) has been detected in some climate data. I don't think
the causal mechanism has been worked out though.


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Mike Tullett wrote:
On 6 Jun 2005 05:25:14 -0700, Edmund Lewis wrote in
roups.com

As in sunspots? I'm familiar with the theories that they affect the
weather, I thought the sunspot cycle was 11 years?

I believe there is what is called the double sunspot cycle - related to a
reversal of the sun's magnetic poles - of about 22-23 years. When some
climate data are analysed that can be quite a strong signal.

http://zebu.uoregon.edu/~soper/Sun/cycle.html
I see what you mean.


linked to the period of
lunar nodes. (Lunar nodes are periods when the combination of the 5
degree difference of the lunar orbit combines with the eccliptic to
produce declinations of 23 1/2 degrees plus or minus 5 degrees.*


So are you saying that the declination of the moon (which I know can be
more than 23 1/2, up to about 29 north and south), combines with the
sunspot cycle to produce hot/cold weather? If so, how? (And what type
of weather do various alignments produce?)

The lunar nodal cycle has a length of 18.6 years

Is that the interval between the moon's being in the exact same place
in the sky, the same declension or something completely different?

and such a cycle length
(real or otherwise) has been detected in some climate data. I don't think
the causal mechanism has been worked out though.

Thanks.

Edmund

On 6 Jun 2005 06:32:47 -0700, Edmund Lewis wrote in
roups.com

The lunar nodal cycle has a length of 18.6 years

Is that the interval between the moon's being in the exact same place
in the sky, the same declension or something completely different?

Yes, I think you are very much along the correct lines. It is a measure of
the movement of the apparent angle of the moon above and below the earth's
equator during its monthly orbit. So it is linked with the angle between
the earth's orbital path and that of the moon (relative to the earth).
That angle increases for about 9 years and then decreases again

It reached a low point back in March 1997 and will reach a peak in March,
next year.

See:
http://www.webspace4me.net/~blhill/p...decl.1900.html

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Mike 55.13°N 6.69°W Coleraine posted to uk.sci.weather 06/06/2005 16:01:34 UTC

First of all, these things can only be seen on records from one location
(any location) for the same reason that the tides will be different if
they were only measured at the same time of day from the same location.

Measured from every location and an average taken, a man working blindly
with a thorough working knowledge of the natural history of Inner
Mongolia might come to the conclusion that "tidal range" and "mean sea
level" are one and the same thing.

Secondly, the same celestial observations will produce different results
to the OPs even if just over the hill. But you'd get to see similar
cycles for vaguely similar weather regions.

(You'd see it in weather stations all over Britain for example but not
in the Sahara perhaps. Although I imagine runs of droughts lasting many
years as in parts of Africa..... but I am guessing.)

Now this is the important bit:

There is a transduction of the force or enegy potential from "gravity"
or/and "inertia" into something that can be translated gently into
seismic waves or cloudscapes.

I believe it is accoustics and I have an idea it is the effect of
inertia on mascons. Possibly the rate of change of acceleration on them.

I hope no one ever institutes quotations from me ad hoc (as if I were
some sort of genius) that that is exactly what causes it -just because
some research work yet to be done one day proves me right.

I am sure it is much more complex than that.

As soon as I opened those links I could see the cycles but as soon as I
looked closer I could see that I could see them but that I couldn't say
why. You know instinctively when something is "fitting" or "right" the
way you can sense an atmosphere change when something is wrong.

I'm not talking about weather here but in all walks of life. Like you
can tell a great painting from a mediocre one even if they are both far
better than anything you might accomplish.

Sorry for waffling. It's been a long time since anyone has so much as
considered anything I've said, that I just couldn't stop.


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Not surprising and proves the times are 'a c-c-changing'!
Imagine you used somewhere in Kent instead of Luton...... The figures would
be more exacerbated from 1993 onwards.
Bring on the Fans!!!

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"Philip Eden" philipATweatherHYPHENukDOTcom wrote in message
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http://www.climate-uk.com/Hotdays.htm

Warning: you might need sunglasses gr

What surprises me is how very exceptional the '60s and early-'70s
were, coinciding with the period when my perceptions of the
British climate were becoming hardwired. It may (though
probably doesn't) explain my antipathy towards hot weather now.

Philip Eden

danny (west kent) wrote:
Not surprising and proves the times are 'a c-c-changing'!
Imagine you used somewhere in Kent instead of Luton...... The figures would
be more exacerbated from 1993 onwards.

Yes, imagine using Gravesend. You'd need to add a column for days over
90 methinks :-)

Edmund

"Mike Tullett" wrote in
message

I believe there is what is called the double sunspot cycle - related to a
reversal of the sun's magnetic poles - of about 22-23 years. When some
climate data are analysed that can be quite a strong signal.

Quite right but bear in mind there are massive vagaries in the
chronology of the solar cycle.

And the only thing we know for sure about it is; there is no real direct
change in the level of insolation whatever the part of the solar cycle
the year is in.

So are you saying that the declination of the moon (which I know can be
more than 23 1/2, up to about 29 north and south), combines with the
sunspot cycle to produce hot/cold weather? If so, how? (And what type
of weather do various alignments produce?)

If I knew that I would be an honorary professor with essays in
encyclopeadias. And sunning myself in exotic locations in the company of
extra-ordinarily beautiful women, of dubious reputation.

The lunar nodal cycle has a length of 18.6 years and such a cycle length
(real or otherwise) has been detected in some climate data. I don't think
the causal mechanism has been worked out though.

There won't be either.

I believe that under ideal conditions this cycle can produce 3 observed
solar ecclipses at any one location over some 180 years. The reason
being that although the celestial dispositions take place as you say,
the longitudes of the earth over which they take place are different
each time.

As I have posted many, many times here and elsewhere it is the
longitudal positions that are the key to the whole thing. Everything
else at the moment is mere astrology.



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