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I understand how lows form (more or less), but what factors govern the
generation & intensity of high pressure areas? -- Paul Hyett, Cheltenham |
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Paul.
As far as I understand highs are formed where air decends. This being from air that was warmed and accended elsewhere, ie. the equatotrial regions where low pressure is formed by warmed rising air. Hope this helps but I'm sure its far from the whole story. Regards. Len. "Paul Hyett" wrote in message ... I understand how lows form (more or less), but what factors govern the generation & intensity of high pressure areas? -- Paul Hyett, Cheltenham |
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The pressure at any level in the atmosphere is governed by the weight of air
above that level. For a given volume, there are more molecules, thus more mass, when the air is cooler, and less mass when it is warmer. High pressure then comes about due to a cold anomaly at some level in the atmosphere above. For the global scale mid-latitude surface high pressure, tropospheric air descends over these regions, thus warming the troposphere there, and the cold anomaly must lie above this, and indeed is found in the lower stratosphere. The temperature regime in the lower stratosphere is dominated by dynamic effects, with warm anomalies where air is descending, and cold ones where the reverse is true. Winter continental high and polar high pressure can be due to radiational cooling of the air near the ground, in which case the surface high pressure is due to a cold anomaly in the lower troposphere. On a global scale, most of the surface pressure pattern can be considered as an imprint of the pressure pattern at some level in the mid stratosphere, modulated by the thermal or thickness pattern of the intervening layers. -- Bernard Burton Wokingham, Berkshire, UK. Satellite images at: www.btinternet.com/~wokingham.weather/wwp.html "Paul Hyett" wrote in message ... I understand how lows form (more or less), but what factors govern the generation & intensity of high pressure areas? -- Paul Hyett, Cheltenham |
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"Bernard Burton" wrote in message
The pressure at any level in the atmosphere is governed by the weight of air above that level. For a given volume, there are more molecules, thus more mass, when the air is cooler, and less mass when it is warmer. High pressure then comes about due to a cold anomaly at some level in the atmosphere above. For the global scale mid-latitude surface high pressure, tropospheric air descends over these regions, thus warming the troposphere there, and the cold anomaly must lie above this, and indeed is found in the lower stratosphere. Let us not forget our good friend Mr Coriolis shall we? -- Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG |
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In uk.sci.weather on Wed, 6 Jul 2005 at 23:12:09, Bernard Burton wrote :
The pressure at any level in the atmosphere is governed by the weight of air above that level. For a given volume, there are more molecules, thus more mass, when the air is cooler, and less mass when it is warmer. High pressure then comes about due to a cold anomaly at some level in the atmosphere above. For the global scale mid-latitude surface high pressure, tropospheric air descends over these regions, thus warming the troposphere there, and the cold anomaly must lie above this, and indeed is found in the lower stratosphere. The temperature regime in the lower stratosphere is dominated by dynamic effects, with warm anomalies where air is descending, and cold ones where the reverse is true. Winter continental high and polar high pressure can be due to radiational cooling of the air near the ground, in which case the surface high pressure is due to a cold anomaly in the lower troposphere. On a global scale, most of the surface pressure pattern can be considered as an imprint of the pressure pattern at some level in the mid stratosphere, modulated by the thermal or thickness pattern of the intervening layers. Thanks - that helps a bit. -- Paul Hyett, Cheltenham |
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"Paul Hyett" wrote in message
Thanks - that helps a bit. I prefer to believe it is magic. ('Cause it is effing magic to me how cyclones are spun by Coriolis' Farce and evidently Tornadoes can't be, unless there is a magic spell stopping the thundercloud above it spinning too.) (And how come they are grey and anticyclones are clear?) (And how come tornadoes can be even darker than the much thicker clouds above them yet they are alledgedly filled with lightning?) If that's not magic I don't know what ****** is. (Unless you count the magic way sensible people explain it all away.) -- Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG |
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![]() Bernard Burton wrote: The pressure at any level in the atmosphere is governed by the weight of air above that level. For a given volume, there are more molecules, thus more mass, when the air is cooler, and less mass when it is warmer. High pressure then comes about due to a cold anomaly at some level in the atmosphere above. For the global scale mid-latitude surface high pressure, tropospheric air descends over these regions, thus warming the troposphere there, and the cold anomaly must lie above this, and indeed is found in the lower stratosphere. The temperature regime in the lower stratosphere is dominated by dynamic effects, with warm anomalies where air is descending, and cold ones where the reverse is true. Winter continental high and polar high pressure can be due to radiational cooling of the air near the ground, in which case the surface high pressure is due to a cold anomaly in the lower troposphere. On a global scale, most of the surface pressure pattern can be considered as an imprint of the pressure pattern at some level in the mid stratosphere, modulated by the thermal or thickness pattern of the intervening layers. -- Bernard Burton Wokingham, Berkshire, UK. Thanks for that, Bernard. I've often wondered where the "extra air" that causes high pressure is situated is located and the answer is in the stratosphere, as it must be. However, I'm still not sure how that air gets there since the formation of Highs (and Lows) can be readily correlated with ageostrophic motions in the middle and upper troposphere. Clearly I'm missing some point or other. Any help? Tudor Hughes, Warlingham, Surrey. |
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